Smoke Alarm Installation Certificate

[mpelec]

Hi

Here goes with my first post.

I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me where to find a blank certificate I can use for domestic smoke alarm installations.

Thanks in advance.

mpelec

 

[Richard Burns]

Welcome to the forum.

Edit: Please read on to the next posts for more accurate information, thanks.

If you are installing a domestic smoke alarm and not installing a fire alarm system then this does not have any particular documentation beyond the electrical installation certificate.
This covers the correct wiring and operation of the smoke alarms.
The installation should comply with the building regulations, particularly Part B.
The instructions should be left with the householder.
If you are after the model electrical installation certificates then this would be on the IET website.

 

[tazz]

Your NICIEE has a part 6 certificate just for this purpose

 

[mpelec]

Thanks both for your replies, I've applied for NICEIC membership, just waiting for my two jobs to be inspected but in the meantime using generic blank forms.

 

[odawire]

Welcome to the forum.
If you are installing a domestic smoke alarm and not installing a fire alarm system then this does not have any particular documentation beyond the electrical installation certificate.
This covers the correct wiring and operation of the smoke alarms.
The installation should comply with the building regulations, particularly Part B.
The instructions should be left with the householder.
If you are after the model electrical installation certificates then this would be on the IET website.

How about a "Certificate of Design, Installation and commissioning of a fire alarm system in a Dwelling" ? Since when did building control not require these?

 

[Des 56]

Well conjured up and Niceic single page certificates are available
I'm looking at some in my own documents as I type,its a shame I don't know how to present them to you


This link will tell you the info that is to be included,look near the bottom
How do I test/commission? Aico - Fire & CO Detection & Fire Protection Specialist


Here is a link to info on this forum
http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...ectrical-installations/17660-blank-forms.html



And this is the info that I posted a while back

Make your own with this sort of wording Electrical Contractor Certificate for Grades Type C, D, E and F systems: This Certificate covers the Design, Installation process and Final Commissioning* of the fire detection and smoke {& heat} alarmsystems at: I certify that the fire detection and smoke (& heat) alarm system at the above address complies with the recommendations of BS 5839-6 for design, installation and commissioning of a category grade LD3 system. Description of zones/areas protected (applicable to category LD2 and PD2 systems only: The above described installation has been tested & found to be in satisfactory operation in accordance with the BS 5839~6:2004 recommendations of 23.3 [Recommendation for installation, commissioning & certification of Grade D, E and F Systems.] Instructions/Guidance in accordance with Clause 24 of BS 5839-6:2004. {User instruction given to dwelling occupier regarding action to take in event of an alarm, testing and/or routine maintenance} Name Date Of Issue: For and on behalf of

 

[odawire]

http://www.niceic.com/Uploads/File2067.pdf

 

[odawire]

FIRE DETECTION GRADES​

The Grade System - isthe system of engineering, not the level of protection.

Grade F - one or more batterypowered smoke and heat alarms.

Grade E - a system of interlinkedmains powered smoke and heat alarms with NO battery backup.

Grade D - a system of interlinkedmains powered smoke and heat alarms with battery backup.

Grade C - a system consisting ofsmoke detectors and sounders (which may be smoke alarms) connected to a commonpower supply, comprising of mains power and a stand by supply with centralcontrol equipment.

Grade B - fire detection and alarmsystem comprising of fire detectors (other than smoke alarms), fire alarmsounders and control and indicating equipment to either BS EN 54-2 and powersupply to BS EN 54-4, or to Annex C of BS 5839 pt6.

Grade A - fire detectionincorporating control and indicating equipment to either BS EN 54-2 and powersupply to BS EN 54-4 installed to BS 5839 : Pt 1 with some minor exceptions.

Grade D is required for new, owneroccupied buildings of up to three storey's, two storey rented properties, andexisting owner occupied buildings of up to two storey's. Very large storey'smay require a Grade B alarm system.

Levels Of Protection

LD1 - a system installed throughoutthe dwelling, incorporating detectors in all circulation spaces that form partof the escape routes from the dwelling and in all rooms and areas in whichfires may start, other than toilets, bath and shower rooms.

LD2 - a system incorporatingdetectors in all circulation spaces that form part of the escape routes fromthe dwelling, and in all rooms or areas that present a high risk of fire.

LD3 - a system incorporatingdetectors in all circulation spaces that form part of the escape routes fromthe dwelling.

 

[tazz]

How about a "Certificate of Design, Installation and commissioning of a fire alarm system in a Dwelling" ? Since when did building control not require these?

Building control do.....and the all 3 parts are included in the part 6 certificate

 

[odawire]

In my experience Grades F + E are pretty redundant and not accepted by building control.

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Building control do.....and the all 3 parts are included in the part 6 certificate

Yes, I know

 

[tazz]

So why are you posting Part 1 certificates of commissioning

 

[tazz]

In my experience Grades F + E are pretty redundant and not accepted by building control.

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Totally untrue, certain listed buildings will require interlinked battery only detection, this can be to preserving decor. building control will assess the risk, with the attitude of some detection is better than none....they will insist on 10 year battery life and radio interlink

 

[odawire]

In my experience Grades F + E are pretty redundant and not accepted by building control.

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Totally untrue, certain listed buildings will require interlinked battery only detection, this can be to preserving decor. building control will assess the risk, with the attitude of some detection is better than none....they will insist on 10 year battery life and radio interlink

Not totally untrue, generally true.

 

[odawire]

So why are you posting Part 1 certificates of commissioning

Is that not what the OP was asking for?

 

[tazz]

I have given you the reason why......with building control making those decisions, as they have the final say.

No the OP was asking for a green part 6 certificate

 

[odawire]

I have given you the reason why......with building control making those decisions, as they have the final say.

No the OP was asking for a green part 6 certificate

Well I'll be a Mother ****er!

 

[tazz]

Well I'll be a Mother ****er!

For giving out the wrong certification all these years...yes