New career skills (court action)??

[stuartgil]

Hi people of the real electrical world! Just wondering if any one has done the electrician course with NCS as I have and not been able to get a job as an electrician as their web site suggests?? I have spoken to another mature student and he is on about getting a court case against them? As their web site states "train to be an electrician and earn 30k+ a year" this is surely false advertising as the qualification is not recognised within the true electrical industry and even if you were to register with a scheme you are still not deemed an "electrician"! Thoughts of you wise ppl please!

 

[Octopus]

This is well overdue.

Miss selling on a big scale.

 

[Andy78]

Their defence will be
"you could in theory trade as self employed and earn that much and you are more than qualified to join the schemes which let anyone and his dog in"

I wish you all the best if you decide to pursue this though as someone needs to take these rip off merchants to task.

 

[Des 56]

If you study hard,work hard, you can aspire to the claim

It is not the conventional route, but you must have known that at the outset

In the electrical regs book there is often regs that include words like "must" and "shall" etc,
It makes the outcome of the meaning very different, depending which is used
Beware you have read the 30K claim with this in mind

 

[markc123]

Reg 120.4 of the forthcoming am.2.......

Thou shalt not recognise Electrical Trainee.

In all seriousness, if anyone out there is looking at these threads and wanting to do a short course that promises the earth for 5k just look at the OP.

Not very nice i agree making the OP as an example, but it has to be done.

 

[stuartgil]

Just found out that they have been issued warnings by the advertising agency for false impressions of employment with their qualifications and the courses they run! But that does not seemed to have had any affect with them as I asked a tutor "if I pass this last practical exam when could I start electrical installations"? His reply: "TOMORROW"! Think a lot of ppl have been stitched up with this false promise! I did not expect to start working as an electrician but at least gain employment as a mate but one company asked if I was serious about being an electrician why did I waste my time with this course?? That was a right kick in the #####

 

[Phoenix]

I guess you're biggest problem is going to be the definition of an 'Electrician'. A member of the 'public' would view an electrician as someone they called in to replace a damaged socket. On this site you would need to be competent on 3ph at, say, 11 kV to be able to use that term. As far as the 30k goes; £50 for an additional socket, 4 per day is £200, which is £1000 per week...it carries on. Good luck but I don't think you have a snowball in hell's chance. Sorry...

 

[markc123]

Hi people of the real electrical world! Just wondering if any one has done the electrician course with NCS as I have and not been able to get a job as an electrician as their web site suggests?? I have spoken to another mature student and he is on about getting a court case against them? As their web site states "train to be an electrician and earn 30k+ a year" this is surely false advertising as the qualification is not recognised within the true electrical industry and even if you were to register with a scheme you are still not deemed an "electrician"! Thoughts of you wise ppl please!

I'm going to put it bluntly mate...and im sorry for the situation you find yourself in. However, you are no more an electrician than my mother.

I and 99% of the people on here will never ever employ anyone with the qualification (if you can call it that) you have.

You need to put your efforts in stopping people using these providers, because in all honesty...its nothing but a con. I'm not sure you'll have a court case against them, because they've wormed there way into the industry and for some reason unknown to anyone sane have got themselves recognised with the NIC.

 

[Des 56]

Stauart
Forgive me for being nosey,but

What area do you operate

What have you applied for and with who'm and what was the outcome

Do you have a ecs/cscs card

Have you registered with the agency scum

Have you tried getting work as a mate initially

Are you JIB registered(have you applied)

Are you scam registered(have you applied)

There is work about (albeit lots of temporary) but it is out there

 

[markc123]

Would absolutley love this thread to become a sticky.

Cat in hells chance like.

 

[markc123]

Des, the JIB thankfully are the only people that don't recognise these courses. Well they might, but you wont get the term electrician with them. You need an NVQL3

 

[stuartgil]

Reg 120.4 of the forthcoming am.2.......

Thou shalt not recognise Electrical Trainee.

In all seriousness, if anyone out there is looking at these threads and wanting to do a short course that promises the earth for 5k just look at the OP.

Not very nice i agree making the OP as an example, but it has to be done.

Not a problem Markc123, don't mind being the example if ppl are goin to learn by my costly mistake, when I signed up for the course my intentions were always to work for a company and they basically sell you a pack of lies saying that you will have no problem getting a job within a company with the new qualifications you will gain!! Now I'm looking to get involved with a company as a mate as I do have some experience and then do the evening classes over three or four years! College is the only true route to this industry

 

[Des 56]

Des, the JIB thankfully are the only people that don't recognise these courses. Well they might, but you wont get the term electrician with them. You need an NVQL3

Thats certainly true mark

I was thinking of him becoming able to get on sites in the first instance (trainee or labourer or the like)
He is reducing his chances if he has nothing

 

[Dean182]

I still find it hard to believe that people actually fall for this! I find it difficult to have any sympathy for people that are willing to fork serious amounts of money, in the belief that they can become an electrician in 5 weeks. This alone proves they have absolutely no idea about the trade. 5 weeks, rightO

 

[markc123]

Not a problem Markc123, don't mind being the example if ppl are goin to learn by my costly mistake, when I signed up for the course my intentions were always to work for a company and they basically sell you a pack of lies saying that you will have no problem getting a job within a company with the new qualifications you will gain!! Now I'm looking to get involved with a company as a mate as I do have some experience and then do the evening classes over three or four years! College is the only true route to this industry

Genuinley wish you all the best after that last line. You seem to have your head screwed on.

Good luck for the future.

 

[Phoenix]

I still find it hard to believe that people actually fall for this! I find it difficult to have any sympathy for people that are willing to fork serious amounts of money, in the belief that they can become an electrician in 5 weeks. This alone proves they have absolutely no idea about the trade. 5 weeks, rightO

When times are hard, people grasp at straws, kinda like a goldrush. It's not their fault totally, but advertising should be more regulated.

 

[markc123]

Tradeskills4u where are youuuuuuuuu

Feel free to join this thread, when ever you like

 

[stuartgil]

Hi Des, I have registered with a few agencies, I am in South Wales but work is few an far between at the moment this side of the bridge and no I have not registered with any of the schemes as they just want money again from you and yes I do have a CsCs card! I work in the construction trade any way but the electricians I know are tight for work and don't have the room for an extra body!!

 

[markc123]

Seems like this NCS have already been the subject of complaint on here after a quick search.....

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/electrical-courses-feedback/57207-new-career-skills.html

 

[Des 56]

I still find it hard to believe that people actually fall for this!
But ordinary people trying their best to succeed in life are falling for such things, its how the deception becomes profitable I find it difficult to have any sympathy for people that are willing to fork serious amounts of money, in the belief that they can become an electrician in 5 weeks.I do sympathise with them,a lot of hard earned money for ordinary people is a tragedy if it is seen to be wasted This alone proves they have absolutely no idea about the trade. 5 weeks, They become aware of the dirty deed,after not before the money is spent rightO

.......

 

[markc123]

Wonder how long this thread can last....

I give it another page, maybe 2 if we're looking before someone takes it too far and it gets closed lol.

 

[ipf]

When you listen to electricians talk BULL**** like this, it really makes you think,

HOW THE HELL DO THEY GET AWAY WITH IT..........fume...

Barry Trained As An Electrician With NCS - YouTube

 

[stuartgil]

I was left money an at a vulnerable time I think the salesman seen that an went in all guns blazing and I agree with Phoenix that advertising should be regulated then you would truly understand what you are signing up for!! But hey ho a very hard lesson learnt and I hope others read this thread an learn from it, take the only route which is college and not these Electrical Trainee!

 

[Phoenix]

Hope things work out for you, fella

 

[stuartgil]

Hope things work out for you, fella

Cheers Phoenix!!!

 

[Des 56]

Hi Des, I have registered with a few agencies, I am in South Wales but work is few an far between at the moment this side of the bridge and no I have not registered with any of the schemes as they just want money again from you and yes I do have a CsCs card! I work in the construction trade any way but the electricians I know are tight for work and don't have the room for an extra body!!

Believe me,I know where you are coming from, literally

It may well be the case that you are down the list with your applications at the moment,but times change and with it the demands of the employers
Also opportunity can open up sometimes when you least expect them to
What sector are you trying to enter?

 

[markc123]

When you listen to electricians talk BULL**** like this, it really makes you think,

HOW THE HELL DO THEY GET AWAY WITH IT..........fume...

Barry Trained As An Electrician With NCS - YouTube

HAHAHAHA, if anyone on this site in the hampshire area knows that bellend then please jab him from all of us here at electriciansforums.co.uk

What a complete load of tosh. Barry, you're not an electrician.

Isit just me or is his tote empty? Mines bigger than that and nearlly ways a ton lol

 

[markc123]

Marvo, how much in backhanders to keep this thread open?

I can see your on the prowl mate

 

[Marvo]

Marvo, how much in backhanders to keep this thread open?

I can see your on the prowl mate

I'm not going to close it unless it starts becoming a moderating liability. We have a whole sub-forum for Electrical Courses Feedback so I've just relocated it to the correct place.

 

[Des 56]

Marvo, how much in backhanders to keep this thread open?

I can see your on the prowl mate

The advertising fraternity might have got his gun to his head

 

[stuartgil]

Believe me,I know where you are coming from, literally

It may well be the case that you are down the list with your applications at the moment,but times change and with it the demands of the employers
Also opportunity can open up sometimes when you least expect them to
What sector are you trying to enter?

i have been looking at companies that carry out maintenance as I don't have any 3ph experience but not much luck that's why I registered with a few agencies for an electricians mate in the hope that a long term contract my come up!! I appreciate your positivity Des an I do hope you are right about getting a call outta the blue!!

 

[markc123]

LOL

Nigel and Antony Got New Careers With NCS - YouTube

check out this at 1.40 NCS again.....

NCS if i was caught doing that during my apprentership, id have no wage packet for the week. Great training.

 

[stuartgil]

How did he know there were no bare live conductors touching that metal back box lol

 

[ipf]

i have been looking at companies that carry out maintenance as I don't have any 3ph experience but not much luck that's why I registered with a few agencies for an electricians mate in the hope that a long term contract my come up!! I appreciate your positivity Des an I do hope you are right about getting a call outta the blue!!

Realise you've been done up like a kipper, Stuart, sorry and hope you get some decent work experience, which might lead to something further.
But, it's a nasty world these days, shysters who know nothing about the trade only interested in making money out of others. We've seen it all before and the game's on such a road now that I can't see decent recovery. If you get a chance, take it. Good luck.

 

[stuartgil]

Realise you've been done up like a kipper, Stuart, sorry and hope you get some decent work experience, which might lead to something further.
But, it's a nasty world these days, shysters who know nothing about the trade only interested in making money out of others. We've seen it all before and the game's on such a road now that I can't see decent recovery. If you get a chance, take it. Good luck.

Cheers ipf, I hope to get something even if it's temporary as like most are saying experience is key to employment and also the right route into the industry which is college! Which I WILL be going through no matter what it takes!!!

 

[UNG]

NCS certainly use some cheesy videos to promote themselves and some of it has obviously rubbed off on Nigel with the video he uses to promote his business on his company website

I find some of the comments made in the NCS videos very misleading "there is a shortage of 35,000 electricians" if we are so short of sparks where is all the work and the fact they use ex electricians to give the training must tell people it's not that rosie on the tools, not quite sure what sort of conscience these ex sparks have when they are knowingly sending people out in to the industry they know so woefully under trained

Feel sorry for these people that are taken in by these missold training scams but a couple of things spring to mind "if it looks to good to be true then it is too good to be true" and "caveat emptor (let the buyer beware)" it is all to easy to be taken in by these people with the promise of rich pickings

I think the OP is the first of many to admit it has all gone wrong

 

[Englishman]

HAHAHAHA, if anyone on this site in the hampshire area knows that bellend then please jab him from all of us here at electriciansforums.co.uk

What a complete load of tosh. Barry, you're not an electrician.

Isit just me or is his tote empty? Mines bigger than that and nearlly ways a ton lol

Every time I lighten mine and bung a load of bits I don't use as often in my carry box, it gets stupidly heavy again within a week or so. It's a nightmare. Fat ----- looks like he's got about 3 things in his.

 

[UNG]

As normally happens when I end up looking at youtube after watching the NCS videos I got diverted off to looking at the related videos

Found this one How To Become An Electrician - YouTube the guy reckons he's been a spark for 25 years but doesn't apparently know what second fix is about a minute in

 

[Des 56]

Just seen it and the 2nd fix comment,all I can say is,oh dear

Towards the end,the massive skills shortage and the fantastic pay is mentioned

Oh and just to add, my old friends the Niceic,I notice they got their mention.
Mind you,I suppose that's whats usually to be expected from them

 

[stuartgil]

Yep those cheesy vids should have been the eye opener for me just seem to be the same vids for the last four or five years!! Trying to find as much information on Ncs as possible to see if I have a case at all?? Keeping my fingers crossed :/

 

[UNG]

Just seen it and the 2nd fix comment,all I can say is,oh dear

Towards the end,the massive skills shortage and the fantastic pay is mentioned

Oh and just to add, my old friends the Niceic,I notice they got their mention.
Mind you,I suppose that's whats usually to be expected from them

It makes me wonder what he thinks first fix is

 

[Sparkysoldman]

It makes me wonder what he thinks first fix is

and yet they can't be found on the NICEIC register as far as I can tell

 

[markc123]

It makes me wonder what he thinks first fix is

Probably getting out of bed in the morning....First Fix = get up, ignore the moaning hag next to you, get changed, have breakfast, get in van. Second Fix = arrive on site and crack on.....ahh the life of a Electrical Trainee.

 

[brightspark11]

I did the new career skills domestic installer course and to be fair to them it was a good course and did get me started in business. I have succeeded in joining the NICEIC and they provided me with work experience and ongoing support.

The catch is that I underestimated just how hard it would be to get started in business. I was prepared to live cheaply for a while, have a few customers not pay and learn by my mistakes etc etc. What I was not prepared for was not to be able to find any work at all most weeks. fortunately I was unemployed and getting benefits, the jobcentre allowed me to start a business and continue claiming but deducted earnings from the benefits each week, this was enough to keep me going for six months. after this I was forced to take paid employment in a factory. now I am only continuing in business on a part time basis because I paid up front for most of my expenses (insurance NICEIC membership, van costs etc). I will probably cease trading when these are up for renewal.

If anyone is thinking of starting out as a domestic installer I would recommend that they test the market to find out how much business they are likely to get. Place an advert in your local paper and see how many replies you get, sorry if you feel bad about doing this but if anyone replies you can tell them that you are too busy or have broken your leg etc. The advert will cost you a few pounds, this is worth it to test the market, compared to the course costs of a few thousand pounds plus the costs of starting the business plus the costs of maintaining yourself while the business gets started. Overall you are talking many thousands of pounds. My first weeks of advertising got no response at all from customers, only other advertisers. I tried leaflet distribution and a web site, again, with no successs. All the work seems to be going to established companies.

 

[ipf]

I did the new career skills domestic installer course and to be fair to them it was a good course and did get me started in business. I have succeeded in joining the NICEIC and they provided me with work experience and ongoing support.

The catch is that I underestimated just how hard it would be to get started in business. I was prepared to live cheaply for a while, have a few customers not pay and learn by my mistakes etc etc. What I was not prepared for was not to be able to find any work at all most weeks. fortunately I was unemployed and getting benefits, the jobcentre allowed me to start a business and continue claiming but deducted earnings from the benefits each week, this was enough to keep me going for six months. after this I was forced to take paid employment in a factory. now I am only continuing in business on a part time basis because I paid up front for most of my expenses (insurance NICEIC membership, van costs etc). I will probably cease trading when these are up for renewal.

If anyone is thinking of starting out as a domestic installer I would recommend that they test the market to find out how much business they are likely to get. Place an advert in your local paper and see how many replies you get, sorry if you feel bad about doing this but if anyone replies you can tell them that you are too busy or have broken your leg etc. The advert will cost you a few pounds, this is worth it to test the market, compared to the course costs of a few thousand pounds plus the costs of starting the business plus the costs of maintaining yourself while the business gets started. Overall you are talking many thousands of pounds. My first weeks of advertising got no response at all from customers, only other advertisers. I tried leaflet distribution and a web site, again, with no successs. All the work seems to be going to established companies.

A good example to take note of, I feel, for those planning a complete change without the experience, or correct qualifications, to call themselves electricians.

 

[telectrix]

i wonder how many more blokes out there have taken these courses and then found that they can't get a job and going self-employed is a nightmare, then ended up working in a factory or call centre just to earn a living. it's time these courses were shown up for what they are. let's face it, without demeaning other trades, sparking is not the same as painting a room, or plastering. you mess up on those jobs, it's highly unlikely that you'll kill someone or cause a fire, is it?

 

[marcuslyle]

Hi people of the real electrical world! Just wondering if any one has done the electrician course with NCS as I have and not been able to get a job as an electrician as their web site suggests?? I have spoken to another mature student and he is on about getting a court case against them? As their web site states "train to be an electrician and earn 30k+ a year" this is surely false advertising as the qualification is not recognised within the true electrical industry and even if you were to register with a scheme you are still not deemed an "electrician"! Thoughts of you wise ppl please!

I see a lot of negative feedback regarding New Career Skills, and im not sure why.

I trained with them and 8 years on have a successful electrical contractor company. You obtain the city and guilds qualifications you need with them to demonstrate competence which is what the law requires.
You don't get anything different from a 3 year college course. As for the advertised earnings, a qualified electrician should be earning 30k+.
My earnings have been over 60k the past couple of years. You do the maths to whether the course is worth while it not.
Personally anyone self motivated enough to do the New Careers Skill course should seriously consider being self employed at the end of it, far more to be earned that way and easier to get work as you can't show a future employer any experience.

There are a lot of other companies offering much the same sort of course but they have a huge amount of hidden extras to pay. This was the only course i found that everything was included in the one price.

 

[Bobster]

I see a lot of negative feedback regarding New Career Skills, and im not sure why.

I trained with them and 8 years on have a successful electrical contractor company. You obtain the city and guilds qualifications you need with them to demonstrate competence which is what the law requires.
You don't get anything different from a 3 year college course. As for the advertised earnings, a qualified electrician should be earning 30k+.
My earnings have been over 60k the past couple of years. You do the maths to whether the course is worth while it not.
Personally anyone self motivated enough to do the New Careers Skill course should seriously consider being self employed at the end of it, far more to be earned that way and easier to get work as you can't show a future employer any experience.

There are a lot of other companies offering much the same sort of course but they have a huge amount of hidden extras to pay. This was the only course i found that everything was included in the one price.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Bull ....​

 

[valleybilly]

These BS Courses ( Not just Elec ) are what all Political parties/pc brigade/Councils/Educational authorities etc coin the phrase "Modern apprenticeships . It is an attempt by all of the above reguardless of there political alliances to make it look like they are addressing the obvious skills shortage we have here by allowing a qwik fix strategy and at the same time reducing unemploymet figures . They simply dont give a dam for the consequences aslong as surface results look good at this time and all the above earn a good living out of it ! . Somewhere along this road ' we no dought will here the words " Lessons have been learned" and i for one will happly put my fist thru the first person who says it

 

[marcuslyle]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Bull ....​

Are you replying from personal experience..??