2391 the changes, from the horses mouth at City and Guilds.

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My question is in the scope of the 2396 Design course. the 2391-20 course that I have is a level 3 qualification, which is hard work but doable as it was assignment based. for the 2396 to be a level 4 certificate, the bar must be higher.

Some of the guys 2391-20 assignment work was really classy with electro-cad design drawings, while my drawings were by hand and my calculations written out - theirs were done automatically by their cad programme!

will this sort of stuff be a requirement just to do the new quals?

 

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My question is in the scope of the 2396 Design course. the 2391-20 course that I have is a level 3 qualification, which is hard work but doable as it was assignment based. for the 2396 to be a level 4 certificate, the bar must be higher.

Some of the guys 2391-20 assignment work was really classy with electro-cad design drawings, while my drawings were by hand and my calculations written out - theirs were done automatically by their cad programme!

will this sort of stuff be a requirement just to do the new quals?

Well done on getting your C&G 2391-20. Oh, and you probably did this course the correct way, believe me, if you can't do drawings and the accompanied calculations written out manually so to speak, then you you haven't really passed anything, as these programmes do everything for you. Any fool can pump in a few details, and the programme will do the rest. At least you know how to check any data on a computer screen when aren't exactly how they should be. It's very true when they say, ''a computer programme is only as good as the information it's given'' ..lol!!

It doesn't always follow that the latest course C&G 2396 will be any harder i'm afraid, as these days it seems they go the opposite way, to achieve the pass results, and have a further incentive of giving it a higher level grade to bring in the punters. You only have to look at the level grading of the Pat Testing C&G course set at level 3, to see the manipulation that going on these days.

It never used to be like this, but like everyone else, the C&G institute has jumped head first on the money train, which is not good news for the electrical industry, or come to that, ...any of the other vocational trades they presently cover certification wise....

 

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Thank you engineer54 I did feel at the time that my work was a bit shoddy compared with theirs, and the assessor there hinted that this might be the way forward for me, but your point is taken. with all the new quals i know of people doing a seven day installer course, 17th edition, the practical testing course, then cramming for 2391, and attempting the design course and crashing to earth. if they had used the cad stuff they could have become electrical whizz kids without an actual day on site

 

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My question is in the scope of the 2396 Design course. the 2391-20 course that I have is a level 3 qualification, which is hard work but doable as it was assignment based. for the 2396 to be a level 4 certificate, the bar must be higher.

Some of the guys 2391-20 assignment work was really classy with electro-cad design drawings, while my drawings were by hand and my calculations written out - theirs were done automatically by their cad programme!

will this sort of stuff be a requirement just to do the new quals?

There are better design courses out there, if i was you i would decide what line of work you wish to develop.

 

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My line of work is Inspection and Testing, from domestic to industrial and i doubt that anyone can do this properly without a thorough understanding of the design requirements detailed in BS 7671.

I have kept up to date with every edition and update of the Regs and find that I still encounter installations that defy logic, whatever standard they were built to.