Adaptable box with front entry.

[RDB85]

I’m looking to fix a previous install. After having some rendering I have a feed that’s in 10mm T&E and I’m looking to replace the conduit. The gate is being replaced. I’m just looking for an adaptable box that I can have conduit come out the front.

I’ve decided to have the conduit come out from a Wiska box go down the side of the house and then across the gate with a length of conduit into another Wiska box and then another length into an Adaptable Box and go into the rear into the Garage and into the sub main board.

Any help or advice would be great.

 

[UNG]

I’m just looking for an adaptable box that I can have conduit come out the front.

So you want the conduit to come out from the adaptable box lid?

 

[RDB85]

So you want the conduit to come out from the adaptable box lid?

Yes if possible or another way if there is one.

 

[westward10]

I understand the first part but not getting an entry through an adaptable box lid.

 

[timhoward]

Are you still wanting it to cross the (new) gate at that height as that would feel suboptimal to me?
My first instinct from the photo's (tin hat on!) - have you considered running conduit down the house wall, top entry into adaptable box, swap to SWA and run that underground and maybe just cleat that the garage side?

 

[RDB85]

I understand the first part but not getting an entry through an adaptable box lid.

If I fix two adaptable boxes or Wiska boxes at either ends so top of the gate. I need a way of running a straight piece of conduit across the top of the gate.

 

[RDB85]

Are you still wanting it to cross the (new) gate at that height as that would feel suboptimal to me?
My first instinct from the photo's (tin hat on!) - have you considered running conduit down the house wall, top entry into adaptable box, swap to SWA and run that underground and maybe just cleat that the garage side?

It’s all decorated and the paving is all cemented in as it goes onto the house at ceiling height, into a cupboard which has the CCU in. So it would have to go across the new gate unfortunately.

 

[westward10]

Are you still wanting it to cross the (new) gate at that height as that would feel suboptimal to me?
My first instinct from the photo's (tin hat on!) - have you considered running conduit down the house wall, top entry into adaptable box, swap to SWA and run that underground and maybe just cleat that the garage side?

Agree I wouldn't persist with the conduit. Adaptable box on the house and change to swa.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

Not a lot you can do there by the look of it.

I'd just replace all parts. Stick a new terminal box on the house, drop a pipe down to a slip bend with a couple of saddles on the wall, pipe across the gate tie wrapped to gate to keep it straight, into another slip bend against the garage, more pipe with saddles and another terminal box.

 

[timhoward]

If I absolutely couldn't go underground with SWA, then catenary wire the other side of the gate might be worth a ponder.

If I fix two adaptable boxes or Wiska boxes at either ends so top of the gate. I need a way of running a straight piece of conduit across the top of the gate.

If you stick with conduit following the route shown on the photos, I'm not following why you would choose to put them in that exact position or why they are in fact needed. Sorry if I'm missing something.

 

[RDB85]

If I absolutely couldn't go underground with SWA, then catenary wire the other side of the gate might be worth a ponder.

If you stick with conduit following the route shown on the photos, I'm not following why you would choose to put them in that exact position or why they are in fact needed. Sorry if I'm missing something.

So it will follow the same route down the house but where the bend is I’m looking to replace it with a Wiska or adaptable box then go straight across. As the arch is going and a new gate in its place. There will be another box on the right, on top of the wall. Then across into the garage.

 

[RDB85]

Agree I wouldn't persist with the conduit. Adaptable box on the house and change to swa.

It’s not possible to change to SWA as both rooms have been decorated.

 

[loz2754]

10mm² t/e? In 20mm conduit?

 

[westward10]

10mm² t/e? In 20mm conduit?

Looks like 25.0.

 

[loz2754]

Looks like 25.0.

Could be. Even so, it will be a struggle getting around the bends.

 

[snowhead]

If you are planning running plastic conduit unsupported across the gateway, as it is now, then, as it does now, it will sag.

Dome covers on conduit boxes solves the original question, but not the problem.

 

[westward10]

It’s not possible to change to SWA as both rooms have been decorated.

You change it externally at an adaptable box on the wall.

 

[timhoward]

You change it externally at an adaptable box on the wall.

That's what I had in mind, yes.
Depending on aesthetics of new gate, catenary wire would get it safely across, cleat to outside of garage, then into another box to terminate and revert to T+E.
If it were my house I'd lift the paving and get it underground and out of the way even if I needed to mix some mortar and sort out the paving afterwards.
Anyway, best of luck with it however you do it.

 

[ruston]

As above , a better job underground.

 

[RDB85]

You change it externally at an adaptable box on the wall.

How do you mean sorry?

 

[RDB85]

If you are planning running plastic conduit unsupported across the gateway, as it is now, then, as it does now, it will sag.

Dome covers on conduit boxes solves the original question, but not the problem.

I’ve not seen dome covers? Any advice on them

 

[RDB85]

That's what I had in mind, yes.
Depending on aesthetics of new gate, catenary wire would get it safely across, cleat to outside of garage, then into another box to terminate and revert to T+E.
If it were my house I'd lift the paving and get it underground and out of the way even if I needed to mix some mortar and sort out the paving afterwards.
Anyway, best of luck with it however you do it.

I wouldn’t want to start lifting pavement. The catenary wire sounds good. Could I use conduit going across then metal cable tie it so the conduit is supported?

 

[RDB85]

Looks like 25.0.

Its 25mm conduit.

 

[RDB85]

What if I used Galvanised Steel Conduit. Any better options using that instead?

 

[UNG]

As the underground option has been knocked back I think I would just drop a unistrut across the gap to the gate post / garage buttress and stick an swa in, it would certainly look a lot neater

 

[RDB85]

As the underground option has been knocked back I think I would just drop a unistrut across the gap to the gate post / garage buttress and stick an swa in, it would certainly look a lot neater

That’s a good idea. How can I change it from 10mm T&E to SWA. I can’t remove the T&E?

 

[SparkySy]

I agree unistrut across to the garage behind where the new gate is going totaly separate from it then it will not need disturbing next time the gate needs changing.
I would go swa out of an adaptable box house side and back into another the garage side unless I could go straight into the sub con unit!
You could even make an upstand from the strut if you needed more height and bolt it to the garage wall.
Sy

 

[timhoward]

That’s a good idea. How can I change it from 10mm T&E to SWA. I can’t remove the T&E?

Gland the SWA to adaptable box, and use terminal block / crimps inside the adaptable box to join each conductor to the T&E.
You need the armour of the SWA earthed.

 

[RDB85]

I agree unistrut across to the garage behind where the new gate is going totaly separate from it then it will not need disturbing next time the gate needs changing.
I would go swa out of an adaptable box house side and back into another the garage side unless I could go straight into the sub con unit!
You could even make an upstand from the strut if you needed more height and bolt it to the garage wall.
Sy

That sounds okay I will have a look at that.

Gland the SWA to adaptable box, and use terminal block / crimps inside the adaptable box to join each conductor to the T&E.
You need the armour of the SWA earthed.

Okay could I use an alternative to SWA as I’ve not used it before.

 

[SparkySy]

You could if using this option use plastic conduit again in the strut or secured to it I suppose!

 

[RDB85]

Where the cables comes out of the house fit a circular stop end, conduit down to a Wiska box, a length of white flexible conduit fixed across the top of the gate and in to a Wiska box other end and drill back entry in to garage.

Then use catenary wire to support the flexible conduit?

 

[RDB85]

You could if using this option use plastic conduit again in the strut or secured to it I suppose!

Would something like NYY be any better?

 

[SparkySy]

I wouldn't be putting conduit or anything back across the gate personally! There are better options, if using plastic conduit even across that short span I would want it on something solid to support it.

 

[RDB85]

The gate is very similar to this:

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[timhoward]

Okay could I use an alternative to SWA as I’ve not used it before.

Would something like NYY be any better?

NYY would be ok but can you get it in 10mm? It might not need to be 10mm of course depending on the upstream breaker size etc.
I do remember being terrified the first time I had to use SWA. It honestly isn't too bad and you'll have to bite the bullet one day ;-)
Have a gander at this -

 

[RDB85]

What if I use Galvanised Steel Conduit instead? That would eliminate the sagging issues?

Can you spray it white?

 

[SparkySy]

The gate in the link has no top support so you are going to have to support it somehow, yes galv conduit would prevent the sagging.
You will probably need 25mm for 10mm cables which will be sporting to work with especially any bends to the boxes!?

 

[UNG]

That’s a good idea. How can I change it from 10mm T&E to SWA. I can’t remove the T&E?

Without a crystal ball or knowing the layout beyond the the pictures you have posted and how far the existing cable runs inside the buildings it is difficult to advise it may be possible to get swa to the connection points to avoid joints, with experience and the right tools sometimes the impossible is possible

You could even make an upstand from the strut if you needed more height and bolt it to the garage wall.
Sy

The upstand was one of my thoughts when I suggested unistrut my other thought was to run the unistrut at an angle from where it exits the house down to the garage

What if I use Galvanised Steel Conduit instead? That would eliminate the sagging issues?

Can you spray it white?

Unless you have access to a vice and bender I wouldn't bother with galv conduit with regard to painting it I would give the joints a coat of Galvafroid paint and then paint it with a couple of coats of Hammerite

 

[RDB85]

I might see if anyone is selling a bender with a vice and stop etc. Be good practice ??

 

[rapparee]

I’ve not seen dome covers? Any advice on them

Metpro 20mm Galvanised female BESA dome cover

Buy online Edwardes 20mm Female Dome Lid Cover in Steel Galvanised with 50mm BESA fixing centres

www.edwardes.co.uk

 

[timhoward]

Metpro 20mm Galvanised female BESA dome cover

Buy online Edwardes 20mm Female Dome Lid Cover in Steel Galvanised with 50mm BESA fixing centres

www.edwardes.co.uk

Just to note they are 20mm

 

[pc1966]

Not really an option here, but Flexishield is available in white, it pretty tough, has a shield so no RCD requirements, stays in place, UV resistant, can be used with while IP68 nylon glands, etc, etc.

But max CSA is 6mm and an expensive option if you can't get it by the metre.

 

[RDB85]

The gate is now fixed so I will need some advice on the conduit and bends etc. it’s 10mm T&E I’m just looking to tidy it up and either do 90 bends or some sort of Wiska Boxes. Any advice would be great.

 

[MJPD29]

Don't put pvc conduit back on that. It looks amateur to begin with and looks even worse after a year or 2 of weather. If you are absolutley insistent on using conduit use steel, can be painted black to match the gate and lasts far longer than black pvc conduit

 

[RDB85]

Don't put pvc conduit back on that. It looks amateur to begin with and looks even worse after a year or 2 of weather. If you are absolutley insistent on using conduit use steel, can be painted black to match the gate and lasts far longer than black pvc conduit

It was put in place as a temporary measure as we needed a cable to feed the garage. I will look at steel conduit. I don’t own a bending machine and I would image a 90 would be hard to pull 10mm T&E in.

I was thinking End box from the house, down into another end box and then see if I can find something with a thread on that I can have a straight piece for across the gate. Then another angle box straight across into the last end box into the garage.

I’ve never painted steel conduit. Would any metal paint do? Or is there a specific type that is needed?

As I say I’m open to suggestions with steel conduit.

 

[MJPD29]

It was put in place as a temporary measure as we needed a cable to feed the garage. I will look at steel conduit. I don’t own a bending machine and I would image a 90 would be hard to pull 10mm T&E in.

I was thinking End box from the house, down into another end box and then see if I can find something with a thread on that I can have a straight piece for across the gate. Then another angle box straight across into the last end box into the garage.

I’ve never painted steel conduit. Would any metal paint do? Or is there a specific type that is needed?

As I say I’m open to suggestions with steel conduit.

You can get a threaded lid for steel conduit, you could put an end box on and thread it straight into the lid, although 10mm t and e is going to be awkward no matter which way you do it. I believe hammerite will take to galvanised metal but I stand to be corrected.

 

[RDB85]

You can get a threaded lid for steel conduit, you could put an end box on and thread it straight into the lid, although 10mm t and e is going to be awkward no matter which way you do it. I believe hammerite will take to galvanised metal but I stand to be corrected.

Have you got a link to it? Or the best place to buy it from?

 

[MJPD29]

20mm Galvanised Steel Conduit Dome Cover - 20GDC

20mm Galvanised Steel Conduit Dome Cover. Fast and Free Delivery Available. Trade Quality with Low Prices.

www.electrical2go.co.uk

That's a 20mm but they are available in 25mm also. Not sure I'd buy with this company though, pretty poor experiences with them.

 

[RDB85]

20mm Galvanised Steel Conduit Dome Cover - 20GDC

20mm Galvanised Steel Conduit Dome Cover. Fast and Free Delivery Available. Trade Quality with Low Prices.

www.electrical2go.co.uk

That's a 20mm but they are available in 25mm also. Not sure I'd buy with this company though, pretty poor experiences with them.

Okay thanks I will have a look online. I will see who out of the wholesalers is the best priced. Also I will need a tap and die set.

 

[Yozza19]

It was put in place as a temporary measure as we needed a cable to feed the garage. I will look at steel conduit. I don’t own a bending machine and I would image a 90 would be hard to pull 10mm T&E in.

I was thinking End box from the house, down into another end box and then see if I can find something with a thread on that I can have a straight piece for across the gate. Then another angle box straight across into the last end box into the garage.

I’ve never painted steel conduit. Would any metal paint do? Or is there a specific type that is needed?

As I say I’m open to suggestions with steel conduit.

If you are insistent on not burying get a few lengths of 25mm galv tube and the appropriate fittings in con lock you won’t need a bender of dia set then