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Thomas Connolly

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Hi Gents,
Probably a very simple answer but I'm installing an outside light on a small porch The switch being just inside the door.
The light however, is about 600ml from the door on the outside, so if I drill straight through from the outside to the inside, once inside, the cable exit point straight in to the back of the light outside is going to be out of the zones.

I was just wondering how people overcome this issue? I thought about drilling at an angle so that when the hole comes through to the inside, it is by the switch but I think I'll need either x-ray vision or a hell of a lot of luck, or even both, to pull this off close enough to the switch to be within a 'zone'

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
 

Pete999

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Hi Gents,
Probably a very simple answer but I'm installing an outside light on a small porch The switch being just inside the door.
The light however, is about 600ml from the door on the outside, so if I drill straight through from the outside to the inside, once inside, the cable exit point straight in to the back of the light outside is going to be out of the zones.

I was just wondering how people overcome this issue? I thought about drilling at an angle so that when the hole comes through to the inside, it is by the switch but I think I'll need either x-ray vision or a hell of a lot of luck, or even both, to pull this off close enough to the switch to be within a 'zone'

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
You have to wonder why there is very little in the responses when the OP doesn't let you know what his/ her experiences are, very difficult to respond to a post with little information
 
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Thomas Connolly

Thomas Connolly

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@telectrix This is what I'm wondering, so the supply (Taken from an existing ceiling rose inside the existing dwelling) for the new porch outside light comes down from above, within the prescribed zones straight down to the switch.
However, as the light is being positioned away from the door, so in theory, about 1ft to the left of where the switch zones would be, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to run the cable outside of the zone to get in to the back of the light fixture outside?

@DPG Yeah I get that the zones run either horizontally or vertically from the switch. I'll add an image to show you guys what I mean.

@Pete999 What info did you need? Apologies. Just thought I needed to pose the question that's all!?
I have my domestic installer qualifications. I've been doing little domestic jobs for about 6 months now. I am happy with the regs/testing and go over these vigorously before any install, but some real world experiences are throwing me off a little, hence the question above. I have a seasoned electrician, who I'm helping, who comes in advises me on the installs and checks all the work I do and does the bigger parts of the jobs (CCU changes etc) for the time being, I'm just doing the "beginner" stuff like installing RFC's, lighting circuits both 1st and 2nd fix, he will then do all the work at the CCU. I literally just run the new cables etc
Again, all of which I go over with the electrician to make sure it's being done right, he is happy that I'm capable of doing these either with him, or being told what to do while he does other jobs.
It's how I'm learning the trade so far. I've completed about 5/6 installs so far all of which I've had assistance on and have been told are ok by the electrician. Is that ok?
 
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Thomas Connolly

Thomas Connolly

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So this is as if you were inside the porch. Looking out. The switch is just inside of the door. The supply drops down from above the joists. In the zone.

The outside light, in relation to the switch is being placed about 1ft to the left or so, the dotted line is the route I'd need to take the cable up the wall and drilled through to the outside in order to get the cable inside the back of the light fixture. But this goes "west" and then North, the "north part of the route is outside of the zones right?

I hope this helps. Go easy.
 
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Thomas Connolly

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@anthonybragg This was my first thought tbh, but because I don't want to blow a brick out on the face of the house, I'm going to be drilling from outside inwards, and trying to get the correct angle so that I fall within the zone of the switch is going to be difficult.
It's what I'll probably have to do but I wondered if anyone had any tips or suggestions regarding the matter.
 
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Thomas Connolly

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@Dustydazzler dazzler I think that's my only option.

@suffolkspark It's the dotted line? where it first exits the switch it's within the zone, but when it then has to go up the wall to then be fed outside it leaves the 'zone' provided by the switch right? Just the part where it travels up the wall.
 
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suffolkspark

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@suffolkspark It's the dotted line? where it first exits the switch it's within the zone, but when it then has to go up the wall to then be fed outside it leaves the 'zone' provided by the switch right? Just the part where it travels up the wall.
As somebody else said above the zones go vertical and horizontal EITHER side of the wall from the accessory. It is through the wall and vertical to the light so fine in my book. And the bbb
 
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@Charlie_ Unfortunately not as there are coins built in to the brick work.

@suffolkspark I didn't think it'd be ok seeing as the accessory is on the outside and anyone inside the porch wouldn't know it's position? So of they were to drill in to the wall they might not take in to account the light the other side of the wall!?
 
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Pete999

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@telectrix This is what I'm wondering, so the supply (Taken from an existing ceiling rose inside the existing dwelling) for the new porch outside light comes down from above, within the prescribed zones straight down to the switch.
However, as the light is being positioned away from the door, so in theory, about 1ft to the left of where the switch zones would be, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to run the cable outside of the zone to get in to the back of the light fixture outside?

@DPG Yeah I get that the zones run either horizontally or vertically from the switch. I'll add an image to show you guys what I mean.

@Pete999 What info did you need? Apologies. Just thought I needed to pose the question that's all!?
I have my domestic installer qualifications. I've been doing little domestic jobs for about 6 months now. I am happy with the regs/testing and go over these vigorously before any install, but some real world experiences are throwing me off a little, hence the question above. I have a seasoned electrician, who I'm helping, who comes in advises me on the installs and checks all the work I do and does the bigger parts of the jobs (CCU changes etc) for the time being, I'm just doing the "beginner" stuff like installing RFC's, lighting circuits both 1st and 2nd fix, he will then do all the work at the CCU. I literally just run the new cables etc
Again, all of which I go over with the electrician to make sure it's being done right, he is happy that I'm capable of doing these either with him, or being told what to do while he does other jobs.
It's how I'm learning the trade so far. I've completed about 5/6 installs so far all of which I've had assistance on and have been told are ok by the electrician. Is that ok?
Hi Thomas,
I'm reluctant to answer your question Mate for fear of annoying the Mods, but some information of your experience would be helpful in order to quantify my answers, it's nothing personal, nothing sinister, just some pointers on how to answer your questions50484ster, nothing
 
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Thomas Connolly

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@Pete999 that's cool man. I come here for help. If ya need more info then I'll happily pass it over. Cheers.

@ruston Thanks, I wasn't aware that it ran both sides of the wall. This is the stuff I'm learning on the job.

THANKS TO EVERYONE. I don't wanna miss anyone out. It's all been helpful as usual and helping me become better at this job. Only a few more years and I should be able to go solo! Cheers legends.
 

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@anthonybragg This was my first thought tbh, but because I don't want to blow a brick out on the face of the house, I'm going to be drilling from outside inwards, and trying to get the correct angle so that I fall within the zone of the switch is going to be difficult.
It's what I'll probably have to do but I wondered if anyone had any tips or suggestions regarding the matter.
Use a thinner longe drill bit first then larger going from both sides if required.
 

Pete999

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@Pete999 that's cool man. I come here for help. If ya need more info then I'll happily pass it over. Cheers.

@ruston Thanks, I wasn't aware that it ran both sides of the wall. This is the stuff I'm learning on the job.

THANKS TO EVERYONE. I don't wanna miss anyone out. It's all been helpful as usual and helping me become better at this job. Only a few more years and I should be able to go solo! Cheers legends.
No need Thomas you seem to have all the answers you require, it's just a quirk of mine, nice to know the experience of people you are trying to help, if you wish to keep that private, then that's your prerogative, good luck
 

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Hello Thomas if you are still undertaking any courses then with the correct details you can have access to the Trainee section. The requirement would be that you are currently or about to start a course. If you think this applies to you follow this link.
 

Paignton pete

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No need Thomas you seem to have all the answers you require, it's just a quirk of mine, nice to know the experience of people you are trying to help, if you wish to keep that private, then that's your prerogative, good luck
I’ve also started looking at peoples profiles before answering. If they are not allowing me to see there profile I’m not responding also.
There is a lot I’m not responding too.
 

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