Cooker Isolation and Appliance Isolation Regulations

[Spazz]

Hi all

I need the regulations (in BGB) that apply to the cooker isolation and appliance isolation (plug under worktop - isolation above)

The reason I ask is these Kitchens I am installing the design has allowed for the washing mashing to be placed under the sink drainer and the kitchen fitter wants the cooker isolation within 300mm of the cooker to make it easier for him to install the worktop - as this is what the other electrician did (saying that he also installed sockets directly over sinks - I know this is not allowed!)

Thanks in advanced

 

[sedgy34]

There's no reg it's advised 300mm from sink & cooker

 

[Spazz]

ok thanks sedgy - the kitchen fitter wants the cooker isolation at 150mm and the washing machine isolation at 2m from washer next to the cooker isolation - so they are clear of the sink worktop - the set up is a U shape with the cooker in the middle and sink on one side.

Thank again

 

[sedgy34]

If your going to be working with this kitchen fitter just do it you will get on alot better


1500 is normally for a granite upstand on the work top I go for 1100 if only a100mm upstand

 

[Spazz]

I go in on day 1 rip out all electrics and install a new ring in the kitchen, change the light to a fluorescent light, install a new cooker circuit and install an extractor fan
Kitchen fitter goes in on day 2 and installs a new kitchen
Tiler goes in on day 3 and tiles
Painter goes in on day 4 and paints

If anything is wrong there is no option to go back and if anyone knocks the socket or anything they don't tell me or anything which really gets on my nerves!

We are doing 5 kitchens a week, half also require a new CU as well - and they still expect the whole electrics done in 1 day, all in trunking.

These are council houses - I had an apprentice helping me to start but he could not pick up a spirit level not long use one plus he could not be bothered so he only lasted 4 days and he was gone! (plus he could not use a tape measure - everything he did I had to redo myself)

This kitchen fitter had worked with the other sparky for 1 year but because the other sparky wanted more money he left
This kitchen fitter only moans when he changes the plans and a socket is in the way because he changed the plans - nothing to do with me


The council inspector is the bigger problem - he will pull anything and everything - he pulled the other day a junction box placed in a cupboard - he wants all junction boxes in the roof void (even though you cant inspect them!) - I crimp everything so waiting to see what this inspector says about that

 

[sedgy34]

You need to print off the regs to show him as he's asking for things that don't comply he's an inspector who know f all!!! Probably some arse licker

I had an enquiry a few months ago to do the same as this
i didn't bother replying as they can end up costing you money or they don't pay so I wasn't going to be a busy fool quantity wasn't a problem as ther was 2 years work there

 

[Spazz]

I dont ever meet this inspector - he inspects 1 month after work finished.

The brief states:
The kitchen must be on its own circuit
The ring for the rest of the house must be joined using JB (which they provide - not MF)
The new ring must go back to the CU with a new 32A MCB or RCBO and be RCD protected
All joints (inc JB) must be placed in roof space
All must comply with BS7671
Only Minor Works Certificates will be excepted - dont know how this works with a new CU - they have a EIC from me - sod them!
Extractor fan must be installed (sometimes impossible due to no external wall)

They supply all parts - JB, CU, MCB, RCBO, 2.5 T&E, 6mm T&E, sockets, back boxes, trunking, FCUs, fan isolation, cooker isolation and access point

no crimps, no heat shrink, no earth slaving

they say I only have to provide labor - they pay me £115 per kitchen - I have to spend £15 on extra parts I need (above) and notification and fuel and bridge toll (£0.75 each way - 4 times a day) (£30 per kitchen in total)

I get extra for CUs - not sure how much extra


But its either this or £110 per week on benefits & housing benefit (£80 per week)

 

[TPES]

It sounds as If it actually costs you to do these kitchens.. I can't see where any profit at all comes in.

 

[StuSpiers]

Been there done that, got the t-shirt.

You won't make any money that's for sure, but you may learn something.

 

[Spazz]

I make £80 for a days work - crap I know! - £400 per week, thats after all my insurance, NAPIT, notifications, fuel, Bridge fees, and anything I have to buy

Thats £1733 per month - I cant touch that on benefits or any other job.