Electrical Test Certificate

[Longers]

Good morning all,

I have recently carried out a rewire on a one bedroom house and installed a new DB. As I am not part of a CPS I cannot complete an EIC for the install so was going to get someone who I know to do this for me. The property owner now has a cash buyer to but the house and is looking to get it tested ASAP but my friend is busy for the next month on a job and hasn’t got the time to do it.
As the certificate is to confirm the wiring and installation is in a safe and satisfactory condition would it be acceptable for me to complete an EICR which would cover the whole installation as a workaround? Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers

 

[telectrix]

nothing to stop you from completing an EIC. just the notification will need to be done by your colleague ( if he's willing to do that).

 

[westward10]

Did you notify Building Control prior to starting the works.

 

[Longers]

nothing to stop you from completing an EIC. just the notification will need to be done by your colleague ( if he's willing to do that).

Thanks Tel,

I can ask him but not sure whether he would prefer to do the testing himself if he’s signing it off. And I think he usually does it electronically using some software so would mean him transferring the info I give him across. I will ask the question but if he’s not keen would my suggestion of just completing the EICR myself be ok? As doing that would mean the testing is not notifiable if I’m correct.

Cheers

 

[Longers]

Did you notify Building Control prior to starting the works.

No tbh the job started as just changing faceplates but as they came off and realised the wiring was a mess it ended up easier to rewire the lot.

 

[Risteard]

I'm not in England, but there is absolutely no way that failing to carry out initial verification but instead using a periodic inspection would alter the fact that notifiable work is indeed notifiable.

As said, you can issue an Electrical Installation Certificate (in fact, it is a requirement of BS7671:2018 that you do so).

I don't believe that any scheme allows their members to carry out initial verification after the fact, having not been present to inspect during erection of the installation. Even those which offer 3rd Party Verification do not allow the scheme to be operated in this manner.

 

[Fitzy]

If you were doing the rewire on behalf of your friend (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), then technically he is your QS and can then sign off your work and notify the job, that’s if he trusts you and knows you always do a good job and follow the regs.

 

[Taylortwocities]

And of course, all of the test results that you will enter on the certificate will have been carried out on a calibrated set of test equipment?

I have no sympathy. Most of use do it properly, pay to members of CPS and have the relavent insurances.
You've dug a hole and now you are going to have to find a way of climbing out. Probably (hopefully) at some expense to you.

 

[Longers]

And of course, all of the test results that you will enter on the certificate will have been carried out on a calibrated set of test equipment?

I have no sympathy. Most of use do it properly, pay to members of CPS and have the relavent insurances.
You've dug a hole and now you are going to have to find a way of climbing out. Probably (hopefully) at some expense to you.

Thanks for your most useful reply lol. Yes I have all of my own calibrated test equipment thanks.
If I was doing my own work all the time I would consider joining a CPS but as I work as a project manager for an engineering company now it really isn’t worth me doing.
I have photos of the install at all stages to show that the work has been carried out correctly and in accordance with the regs.
Not an issue to wait for my friend to come along and test and complete the certificate if that’s what he wants to do, was just looking to possibly sign off quicker for the homeowner.
No hole to dig out of but appreciate your concern

 

[Andy78]

You should complete an EIC as this a requirement of the wiring regulations. An EICR is not relevant at all.
If your friend is to notify the job and wants to test the installation they can do, and they will have a handy EIC full of results to check against.
As said though, a proper third party notification requires your friend to be registered for such a service and to have designed the job and inspected at first fix stage.

 

[Longers]

You should complete an EIC as this a requirement of the wiring regulations. An EICR is not relevant at all.
If your friend is to notify the job and wants to test the installation they can do, and they will have a handy EIC full of results to check against.
As said though, a proper third party notification requires your friend to be registered for such a service and to have designed the job and inspected at first fix stage.

Thanks for your reply Andy,

He is registered with NAPIT so all good there and as it is only a one bed house with 2 rings, 2 lighting circuits, a boiler circuit and cooker they have all been installed as standard circuits. I have photos of all the cable runs at first fix and they are all run in oval conduit in the walls and in safe zones.

Cheers

 

[Midwest]

If I was doing my own work all the time I would consider joining a CPS but as I work as a project manager for an engineering company now it really isn’t worth me doing.

Which begs the question, why are you doing this job in the first place?

 

[Taylortwocities]

He is registered with NAPIT so all good there

Me too. But he, like me, are only permitted to notify work that they designed, installed and tested themselves. So not all good.
Good luck to him/her if they are prepared to go against the terms of their membership.

 

[DPG]

Can't understand why you didn't do an EIC when you did the work.

 

[Robson689]

You've dug a hole and now you are going to have to find a way of climbing out. Probably (hopefully) at some expense to you.

I thought BC notification was the homeowners responsibility? The OP can still issue an EIC

 

[DPG]

I thought BC notification was the homeowners responsibility? The OP can still issue an EIC

The OP should have completed an EIC yes.

 

[Andy78]

Thanks for your reply Andy,

He is registered with NAPIT so all good there and as it is only a one bed house with 2 rings, 2 lighting circuits, a boiler circuit and cooker they have all been installed as standard circuits. I have photos of all the cable runs at first fix and they are all run in oval conduit in the walls and in safe zones.

Cheers

Being a member of Napit does not automatically mean he can do third party notification. Third party registration is usually extra to standard CPS membership.

 

[Markyd]

Another dodgepot signing off other peoples work for a few quid....nice

 

[Grant webber]

Why dont you use the job as an example to to niceic or napit, and use it to get your self registered. Then you dont get the same problem in the future.

 

[stevethesparks]

Me too. But he, like me, are only permitted to notify work that they designed, installed and tested themselves. So not all good.
Good luck to him/her if they are prepared to go against the terms of their membership.

I understood that Napit allowed 3rd party notification, according to a colleague who is registered with them?
Edit: didnt see Andy78 reply

 

[richy3333]

Another dodgepot signing off other peoples work for a few quid....nice

I bet everyone reading this thread has thought that but with the new forum rules we have to be helpful

 

[Markyd]

I bet everyone reading this thread has thought that but with the new forum rules we have to be helpful

Not a comment against op.....it's the cowboy that's doing the signing off......and had to be said

 

[richy3333]

@Markyd sorry mate. It now feels to me like I was trying to point the naughty finger at you. Don’t ban him, he’s a gud’ en’

 

[Markyd]

@Markyd sorry mate. It now feels to me like I was trying to point the naughty finger at you. Don’t ban him, he’s a gud’ en’

Didn't read it like that at all fella......but thanks for your concern

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I have to agree with @Taylortwocities here. The OP may well have the experience and knowledge to carry out a rewire (or may not) but we still have to either notify the work ourselves by belonging to a scheme or go through BC. If we don't do this then problems occur when buying or selling as in this case and that is not fair on the customer.

Your 'mate' will not have been there at the beginning and throughout to make sure it all meets the wiring regs so basically he'll be lying when he notifies your work which I guess neither of you are concerned about otherwise you wouldn't be planning it.

As the others have said, you could fill out an EIC as you don't need to be registered to do this. You should know this if you have undertaken a rewire.
It's ok to ask questions like this, I certainly did at the beginning of my career, but not after carrying out a rewire.

I realise this post is a little confrontational which is unlike me but it does get me a tad peed off.

 

[DPG]

Spot on there Hippy.
5 words.

 

[stevethesparks]

Sounds like the op has at least some qualification, he has access to calibrated test gear, and wants to do the right thing.
I’m more concerned that the sheds can still supply consumers units etc to the public without question.

 

[Longers]

Have spoken to NICEIC and am getting them to come out in 3 weeks time and do an assessment on a couple of the circuits and can then be put into their CPS.
Thanks for all the useful replies always useful to learn from others experience and knowledge