Forged quals, dangerous work!!! Long story but worth the read!

[trev]

There is no money for excessive public spending! We have no choice!

However, there is money in the pot to give aid to India (A country which can afford nuclear weapons and a space programme) Pakistan (see india minus the space programme) China (probably the fastest growing economy in the world) Argentina (still not offered any reparations for invading the Falklands)
Need I go on?

 

[HandySparks]

I've always wondered how that works (given that I don't live in either England or Wales). But how can they allow this, as surely it is at least technically possible that you don't pass the assessment?

You're right. It's a fudge, but that's exactly what I did when I registered with ELECSA. If you do the work on your own house, who's going to tell! To avoid paying £300 (in my case) to the LA, it's worth the (small) risk.

 

[Guitarist]

However, there is money in the pot to give aid to India (A country which can afford nuclear weapons and a space programme) Pakistan (see india minus the space programme) China (probably the fastest growing economy in the world) Argentina (still not offered any reparations for invading the Falklands)
Need I go on?

And India don't even want our aid any longer, yet still we send it....

I think giving 100 billion to the banks would be a better idea, so that they can lend to business....

 

[Guitarist]

I've always wondered how that works (given that I don't live in either England or Wales). But how can they allow this, as surely it is at least technically possible that you don't pass the assessment?

I actually spoke to my LBC and got permission to do my own CU change myself for assessment (that's how conscientious I am), without officially notifying. I then notified when I was accepted on to the scheme.
I don't think LBC even consider that anyone will fail, and tbh, why would you apply unless you were pretty confident you weren't gonna lose nearly 500 notes......

 

[Dave 85]

However, there is money in the pot to give aid to India (A country which can afford nuclear weapons and a space programme) Pakistan (see india minus the space programme) China (probably the fastest growing economy in the world) Argentina (still not offered any reparations for invading the Falklands)
Need I go on?

I dont particularly agree with the amount of foreign aid given away, but it certainly, pound for pound, is the most economic way of saving peoples lives available. A million pounds spent on nonsensical H&S enforcement in this country may save 1 life, the same money donated to the poorest families in india may save a thousand.
Aid given to india goes to its millions upon millions of inhabitants who are on the verge of starvation, not to its space program.
The uk spends £47.6 billion a year on debt interest repayments. Those were, for a large part, debts accumulated, unrestricted, by labour, who never made any effort to halt the rate at which they increase. The tories have gone to great lengths to limit the uk's borrowing. Labour treated credit in the same manner that a large part of the population now treat it......free money that will allow us to have a great time now and we'll worry about repaying later (or let the tories worry about it).....

A few more years under Brown and the country would be fast heading the same way as Greece.

 

[trev]

My point was that these countrys can afford very expensive things like rockets and nuclear weapons so should not be in receipt of any aid. Our government contantly pleads poverty and how deeply in the crap we are but somehow finds money to give to these countrys at the same time as saying to the armed forces "Welcome home from the (illegal) occupation. Oh and by the way here's a redundancy notice"
What happened to Cameron's bonfire of the quangos that we were promised would save us shedloads of money? It's gone exactly the same way as a lot of politicians promises.
We're all in this together as the PM likes to remind us. My backside.

 

[imago]

With regard to the part P issue and jumping through the hoops, I'm not happy with it, but I will continue to do it. My work is completed to the standard required by the regs, or my standard where I feel the regs are inadequate. I have all the required insurances, qualifications, and tools to carry out the work that I do. If something comes up as part of a job which I don't tick all the boxes for, I get someone in who does. I have the required membership of a self cert body (ELECSA).

Why do this when I know I could quite easily trade without them and increase my profit? Because that way I have a peaceful nights sleep. No one can point a finger at me for anything to do with my work. People get the certs that they should, and work to the required standard or better.

As for the political debate, the 'this party, that party' arguements always make me smile. Talk about missing the important issue/player in all this. Ever hear of an organisation called the 'Civil Service'? The one that's been in power for over a century in it's current form. The one that cannot be influenced, voted for, controlled or held to account by the electorate. The one which provides policies and schemes for the puppets of the day to publicise. The one which controls and allocates budgets. The one that organised the building regs and got it's cronies in to draw them up. The one that provides the management strategies and staff for LABCs across the country. The one which is consulted on privatisation. The one whos retired employees go on to work for the contractors which take over where public organisations once ruled.

 

[Engineer54]

Er , no , completely incorrect.
Gordon Brown & Labour sold the UK's gold reserve and stripped all the private pensions , undermining our countrys' finacial independance.
Maggies privatising of various sectors created wealth that would have become stagnant under state ownership.

I can see the mods shutting down this thread in the very near future lol.

All i can say is, that you must be living in a different parallel dimension to everyone else, either that, or you were on cloud cuckoo land!! lol!! The only wealth these sell-offs gained, had nothing to do with anything benefiting the country...lol!!


The UK had very little gold reserve left, after Maggie and her successor!! lol!! That got somewhat diminished propping up the economy, after the TWO ''Boom & Bust'' periods during there term of tenure. Both those bust's cost the country S**t loads of money, whereas the Booms made the wealthy, a dammed sight wealthier!!

Believe me i'm no lefty, by any stretch of the imagination, i can say roughly the same, but in other areas for the Labour Party. But it's the so-called working class (even though they have nothing to conserve lol!!) die hard true blues that blindly follow, flying their all blue flags, while there getting well and truely shafted, that i enjoy telling a few truths too.

You'll have to enlighten me as to what industries, apart from maybe coal mining and car making would have become ''Stagnant'' under state ownership?? Are you maybe talking about the substantial oil and gas fields, or maybe British Gas, and the Regional Electrical Boards, ...Surely not BT?? lol!!!

 

[Guitarist]

With regard to the part P issue and jumping through the hoops, I'm not happy with it, but I will continue to do it. My work is completed to the standard required by the regs, or my standard where I feel the regs are inadequate. I have all the required insurances, qualifications, and tools to carry out the work that I do. If something comes up as part of a job which I don't tick all the boxes for, I get someone in who does. I have the required membership of a self cert body (ELECSA).

Why do this when I know I could quite easily trade without them and increase my profit? Because that way I have a peaceful nights sleep. No one can point a finger at me for anything to do with my work. People get the certs that they should, and work to the required standard or better.

As for the political debate, the 'this party, that party' arguements always make me smile. Talk about missing the important issue/player in all this. Ever hear of an organisation called the 'Civil Service'? The one that's been in power for over a century in it's current form. The one that cannot be influenced, voted for, controlled or held to account by the electorate. The one which provides policies and schemes for the puppets of the day to publicise. The one which controls and allocates budgets. The one that organised the building regs and got it's cronies in to draw them up. The one that provides the management strategies and staff for LABCs across the country. The one which is consulted on privatisation. The one whos retired employees go on to work for the contractors which take over where public organisations once ruled.

Well said

 

[Tonkatoy27]

You'd have to be bloody useless to outright fail an assesment. If you fail any points you get 2 weeks or so to put them right and send in evidence. Another farce as all the other jobs said failee have done will continue to be substandard. It's not in the scammers interest to fail anyone as they won't get the company on their books for an annual assessment and the £400 that comes with it. You do not have to notify the job you are assessed on with LABC, it'll get notified when you eventually pass. It doesn't even matter if you don't notify within 28 days, I've been really busy on occasions and haven't got arround to it for 8 or 10 weeks, no problems and nothing said by ELECSA.