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I am testing and inspecting a property, built in 80s i think! After taking off a few switches and looking in the pendants, i have noticed that there is green oil like substance dripping out from between the two layers of PVC. Im guessing this is some form off lubricant used once upon a time for stripping the cables, like chalk you often find used now. Has anyone else seen this? Is this lubricant? Will it reduce the life of the wiring? I noticed it does make a mess of the back boxes and terminals. I made the client aware, but is it cause for a rewire? Please help wise old sparks!!
 
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Green goo is most prevalent in cables made between 1965 and 1971. The
gunge is degraded di-isoctyl phthalate and is the result of the reaction
between the plasticisor in the insulation and the copper. Between 1965 and
1971 the temprature performance of PVC was uprated by the inclusion of an
anti-oxidant in to the PVC. An unappreciated side effect was that the
anti-oxident encouraged the production of exudate.
Evidence suggests that that high ambient temperatures accelarate the
process. The exudate is of low flammability and low toxicity. Although
unsightly it does not reduce the electrical integity of the conductor or the
insulation.


See also the draft BCA statement (April 2001) below: -


1) PVC
PVC comes in two main grades, plasticised and unplasticised PVC.
Unplasticised PVC (UPVC) is used for example in double glazing window frames
where a rigid material is required.
The PVC used for manufacture of cables is a plasticised PVC that conforms to
the relevant British Standard for the cable type in question.


2) Ageing effects
As a cable ages; (at temperatures above normal ambient), the elongation to
break decreases (also the Insulation Resistance increases). The life
expectancy of a cable is arbitrarily considered to be when the elongation to
break of the PVC is 50%.
A lower elongation to break value could be considered suitable especially
for a fixed wiring cable. Therefore, providing the cable is not subject to
movement or when moved due to inspection of socket outlet or the like, the
PVC does not crack, a much lower value of elongation to break is considered
by some as suitable.


3) Greening
Greening is the appearance of a wet green substance that is a product of an
adverse reaction between certain types of plasticiser and the copper
conductors. This greening, which is a rare occurrence, can happen either
after a long period of time for some cables, or if the cable has been
severely overheated.
The plasticiser itself is a clear oily liquid that is non conductive. The
green substance is a combination of copper oxide and plasticiser which may
become conductive under certain adverse conditions.


4) Action if Greening is found
Therefore whenever this green substance is found at socket outlets etc.
initially it should be removed and the terminations cleaned (gloves should
be used) otherwise it is possible that tracking/overheating may occur. It is
strongly recommended that rewiring should be carried out as soon as
possible.


If further information is required, the original cable manufacturer should
be contacted.
 
I have a PDF about this somewhere. The re-wire information seems to differ from source to source but relies on values of IR. Also, it seems to be unclear as to whether the goo is dangerous. Most literature will say to wear gloves, some say it's harmless but you should wear gloves anyway, some say it's so nasty that you touch it at your own risk and make sure you wash thoroughly before peeing as it dissolves soft tissue. . . . .

Personally, when I've found it, I recommend a re-wire of the circuit because of the long term breakdown and because I have seen this ooze out of sockets, it makes a hell of a mess. And yes, I wear gloves.
 
I think since the BCA statement above, it has been found not to cause tracking, if it is just showing up at terminations I( would reccomend re-test in 5 years provided everything else was ok,
if it was dripping sown the walls out of the sockets, I would strongly reccomend a re-wire but would still give a cert with a 1 year re-test. (after cleaning terminations)

Don't get it on your skin, it stains it green and causes it to dry and crack! apparently it is a very mild carcinogen, (probably equivalent to burnt toast or crispy bacon)

On a side note a cable which is suffering very badly with green goo can still give 999 insulation reading
 

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