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The double socket itself has a limited load of 26A which is within that of the 2.5mm cable (if method C), therefore there is no need to protect that cable against overload (though I would strongly expect it to be protected), the cable is protected against short circuit by the 40A breaker.

The breaker is over rated for a cooker as it could be dropped to 32A this would be closer to protecting the 2.5mm cable and be more suitable for the cooker, unless one is expecting two fan heaters in the sockets on Christmas day!

Overall this is not a good situation but is not non complaint with the letter of the regs.

Do the best you can to make this a better situation and much more within the expected safety levels.
I would expect to drop the breaker to 32A.
If you wanted you could fit a timer socket or a data socket, or a cooker outlet socket (though that last may be asking for trouble) with nothing wired to the other side. Or fit one of the double to three gang converter that are limited to 13A total, to make thing slightly better.
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Thank you. Yes I should of, tail has been imbetween my legs the whole day. I was trying to hit too many birds with one stone.

I should of pre-tested, I took the risk knowing that I am capable of any remedy that would of popped up. I sadly did not consider the client feelings. I did push to get this job to complete what I needed. I reassured him to a point of him being convinced that the job would have little effect towards him.

I have beat myself up about it, yes I still have to rectify and I will. Let it be known though that this potentially dangerous condition would of not been known otherwise.

I am glad though like I said, I just do not have the heart for electrics. Maybe it's been the break I have had from the electrical world. I will change the 40 amp to a 32amp, this seem like the easiest position which will not effect the client.

To have messed up would of not to cared, asked questions. The £5 a month would work if one could get the clients to sign up. I am offski, thank you for the open discussion

Tell the client to get an experienced spark to do an EICR.
 
As you have fitted a new CU you must use the appropriate protective device for the circuit otherwise your work will not comply. As above I think I would disconnect the cooker on those grounds if you feel the load is too great for the circuit..what happens after you leave is the clients business...however I think you'll find if you explain what you are doing and why they will have you back to rectify pretty sharpish..!
what?...and leave em without a cooker?...dont talk stupid man.
to the O/P:
as has been suggested..clamp it....see what it draws.....
theres diversity you can apply with cookers as well...
if its a 2.5 cable...then give it 20 A top end....that will take care of the problem..and dont forget that a B curve MCB to BSEN60898 will hold for upto 1.45X its operating current for upto an hour before letting go...
 
Tell the client to get an experienced spark to do an EICR.
Please tell me you wrote that for comedy value.

Ok what are we doing here? talk about giving me good pasting! Jesus.


I have plenty of employed experience, I told him that it has failed and how I would like to correct it. Remember the client is not wanting me to look into the fault, causes him to much inconvenience. We have been suggesting how to get around the obstacle of not being able to lift floor etc


I will suggest to him to go get a spark that will charge him what £120, he will love that idea. So that we can see wether IT even gets picked up. Lol come on man.

Off really now couldn't leave with that being said.
 
I read his first post and sympathise with his predicament
He has taken some very nasty unjustified stick for coming on here and looking for some guidance

He has been warned about going to Jail and leaving a dangerous situation
The drama of those comments are over the top( thats being kind to the description)
The dire warnings and drama are more suited to the stage than this situation

Lets keep in mind,he did not install this circuit,he discovered the problem with what seems some very observant inspection
How many of the present day (6 Eicrs a day and all that) standard Eicrs would have detected the issue he has presented ? very few I would guess,

The double socket will have limitations of load,the cooker will probably draw much less than the capacity of the cable,even with a fully loaded double socket the circuit should handle the load

The capacity of the cable is well within manufacturers rating for double sockets,they rate them at more like 20 amp rather than 2 x 13 amps that is being held up by the doomers

There must be countless installations with this same issue and probably plodding along quite happily as well

To the op
Thev Niceic guy will most likely only get to know of this problem if you tell him
You can disconnect the circuit for the inspection and watch as the householder reinstates the circuit himself

This looks to me like beating up on someone who has found this problem.he has had no co operation from the customer and is caught between a rock and a hard place
 

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