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Last week I did a job for forum member joramtor. Link to the original post here: http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...s-your-area/87967-repair-micc-pyro-cable.html

He had an underground mineral cable that had been severed by the groundworkers so off we went to sort it out for him. The length of cable that was broken was about 50m long and ran between two lamp posts in his driveway. I thought I might put up some photos of the work along with an explanation so that those less experienced with mineral might learn something. Feel free to add to it if you want (I'm sure much flaw picking and critisism will ensue also :D).

First off the customer snipped a piece off and posted it to me so that I could determine whether it was imperial or metric and also so that I could size the pots and glands needed if it was imperial (the job was over an hour away so couldn't just pop round). Upon receiving it it was immediately apparent that it was imperial so I used my calipers to size the pots and glands needed. The pots needed were 2L2.5, the glands needed were 4L1.5 and the seals needed were 4L1. The cable in question was 4 core with the conductors being equivalent to 0.75mm-1mm.

When I arrived at the job this is what I found, it had been lying here like this, exposed, for about four months:

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First thing's first, isolate and lock off (circuit was already off at the breaker). Then to start... I chopped the ends away with an angle grinder for a neat and square application of the stripper (a square end always makes starting off the stripper easier) and stripped back a good three quaters of a meter of the sheath with a ring and pull. Next thing to do is to get the blowtorch out and give the cable a good blasting. Short, slow even strokes towards the cut end of the cable from about 650mm back to get rid of any moisture ingress. Remember the magnesium oxide that makes up the insulating mineral compound is hygroscopic, it wicks up moisture like nobody's business! So we have to get that out.

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After ten or so minutes of doing this I let the cable cool and after it was, I slid on the glands and then started stripping it back with the joistripper. This was tougher than usual as the cable was very slightly too fat to fit in the 2L2.5 hole and a bit loose in the 4L1.5 hole. I went through two blades with this bit! In hindsight I should really have used a heavy duty stripper but hey ho. When the cables were stripped back the pots were screwed on and potting compound was applied from one side only to eliminate air pockets within the pot. Notice the caps are half slid down, this helps to keep the conductors in place through the potting compound filling process. The caps were then put in place and crimped using a mineral crimping tool.

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When this was done it was time to IR the conductors and copper sheath. The lowest result was roughly 20Mohms live-live. Not perfect but okay. After this I belled out the ends between the break and each lamp post with my long lead to determine which core was which and also to check earth continuity on the sheath which was being used as the cpc. Once this was done the insulation was applied and the cables identified. Two cores were not used and were disconnected at the lamp posts. At the supply end I ensured that these were earthed as they previously weren't.

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Once this was done I terminated the gland at one of two Pratley underground junction boxes making sure to clean the copper on the exposed mineral sheath to ensure zero resistance between this and the olive within the compression gland. I then prepared a short length of 4 core 1mm SWA to bridge the gap and terminated this into the other side of the Pratley.

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This process was then repeated on the second Prately on the other end of mineral cable so that the short length of SWA was the bridge in the gap of the break. Once this was done it was time to seal the gland terminations. I tightly wrapped some insulation tape at the join between the glands and the cable to ease the transition and then wrapped tightly and carefully with a couple of layers of self amalgamating tape. This will seal the joins and prevent corrosion of any previously exposed metal.

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Once sealed up the cables were joined with wagos and the circuit tested, dead tests then live. Total lowest IR had now reduced to 15Mohms (a product of the increase in length [2x25m = 50m]), again, not perfect but okay. Pratleys have a built in method of preserving cpc continuity so no need for fly leads. All tested out ok so MCB on and a functional test of the circuit carried out. All ok. MCB off, JBs sealed up with the lids and put in place, circuit energised and away we go!

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The customer was told by more than one person that it couldn't be done, and here it is! Never say never! :)
 
Looks good... We have been doing MICC at college recently, out of interest what tool do you use for screwing the pots on? :smile:

With normal light duty stuff you can usually use your fingers but because the pot was very tight on this imperial stuff I had to use a potting tool. It's essentially a cylider that clamps onto the pot and makes it easier to turn.
 
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I have been using this one at college, i am not sure if they make bigger sizes though.




With normal light duty stuff you can usually use your fingers but because the pot was very tight on this imperial stuff I had to use a potting tool. It's essentially a cylider that clamps onto the pot and makes it easier to turn.

Got some tools a while ago on ebay with 2 sizes of the below. Fun cable to work with:smile:
 

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Looks good to be fair.

Just two questions and not criticism!

I realise that the "Pratley" boxes are watertight, but did you not consider gelling the box?
SWA, because no pyro available?

I did, and normally would, but the job was just a patch up if I'm honest. I couldn't see the point when the whole lot will be getting ripped out in a couple of years time and replaced. They'll do fine without the gel. The customer wants additions to the circuit so will have to be done properly then. If underground JBs are to be used at this point then I would gel 'em.

SWA for two reasons; A. Because that is all that is needed, and B. I don't know anywhere that sells pyro by the meter.

:)

Edit: Third reason for the SWA, tis cheeep! :D
 
the photography skills ain't bad either. LOL. tbh, with my limited pyro skills, i'd be wary of attempting that job myself. last bit i did was 30 years ago, and that took me 2 hours to do a couple of pots.
 
Thanks Dad :D



OIT! Less of that! :D

Anyway, is this implying that I'd have done a better job if I was wrinkly? haha

Naaaaaah......I was miles younger than you when I was doing hundreds of 'em.

Wish I had some photos, never even crossed my mind....oooh lovely, some of those big boiler houses.

Unlike you, I'd have had to pay a bomb to have them developed.
 
Last week I did a job for forum member joramtor. Link to the original post here: http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...s-your-area/87967-repair-micc-pyro-cable.html

He had an underground mineral cable that had been severed by the groundworkers so off we went to sort it out for him. The length of cable that was broken was about 50m long and ran between two lamp posts in his driveway. I thought I might put up some photos of the work along with an explanation so that those less experienced with mineral might learn something. Feel free to add to it if you want (I'm sure much flaw picking and critisism will ensue also :D).

First off the customer snipped a piece off and posted it to me so that I could determine whether it was imperial or metric and also so that I could size the pots and glands needed if it was imperial (the job was over an hour away so couldn't just pop round). Upon receiving it it was immediately apparent that it was imperial so I used my calipers to size the pots and glands needed. The pots needed were 2L2.5, the glands needed were 4L1.5 and the seals needed were 4L1. The cable in question was 4 core with the conductors being equivalent to 0.75mm-1mm.

When I arrived at the job this is what I found, it had been lying here like this, exposed, for about four months:

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First thing's first, isolate and lock off (circuit was already off at the breaker). Then to start... I chopped the ends away with an angle grinder for a neat and square application of the stripper (a square end always makes starting off the stripper easier) and stripped back a good three quaters of a meter of the sheath with a ring and pull. Next thing to do is to get the blowtorch out and give the cable a good blasting. Short, slow even strokes towards the cut end of the cable from about 650mm back to get rid of any moisture ingress. Remember the magnesium oxide that makes up the insulating mineral compound is hygroscopic, it wicks up moisture like nobody's business! So we have to get that out.

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After ten or so minutes of doing this I let the cable cool and after it was, I slid on the glands and then started stripping it back with the joistripper. This was tougher than usual as the cable was very slightly too fat to fit in the 2L2.5 hole and a bit loose in the 4L1.5 hole. I went through two blades with this bit! In hindsight I should really have used a heavy duty stripper but hey ho. When the cables were stripped back the pots were screwed on and potting compound was applied from one side only to eliminate air pockets within the pot. Notice the caps are half slid down, this helps to keep the conductors in place through the potting compound filling process. The caps were then put in place and crimped using a mineral crimping tool.

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When this was done it was time to IR the conductors and copper sheath. The lowest result was roughly 20Mohms live-live. Not perfect but okay. After this I belled out the ends between the break and each lamp post with my long lead to determine which core was which and also to check earth continuity on the sheath which was being used as the cpc. Once this was done the insulation was applied and the cables identified. Two cores were not used and were disconnected at the lamp posts. At the supply end I ensured that these were earthed as they previously weren't.

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Once this was done I terminated the gland at one of two Pratley underground junction boxes making sure to clean the copper on the exposed mineral sheath to ensure zero resistance between this and the olive within the compression gland. I then prepared a short length of 4 core 1mm SWA to bridge the gap and terminated this into the other side of the Pratley.

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This process was then repeated on the second Prately on the other end of mineral cable so that the short length of SWA was the bridge in the gap of the break. Once this was done it was time to seal the gland terminations. I tightly wrapped some insulation tape at the join between the glands and the cable to ease the transition and then wrapped tightly and carefully with a couple of layers of self amalgamating tape. This will seal the joins and prevent corrosion of any previously exposed metal.

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Once sealed up the cables were joined with wagos and the circuit tested, dead tests then live. Total lowest IR had now reduced to 15Mohms (a product of the increase in length [2x25m = 50m]), again, not perfect but okay. Pratleys have a built in method of preserving cpc continuity so no need for fly leads. All tested out ok so MCB on and a functional test of the circuit carried out. All ok. MCB off, JBs sealed up with the lids and put in place, circuit energised and away we go!

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The customer was told by more than one person that it couldn't be done, and here it is! Never say never! :)

Nice very nice
 
Good work, just a shame there doesn't seem to as many out there any more who can work with MIMS, MICC, Pyro or what ever else you want to call it.

Not done many ends of it myself in 20 years but I still feel confident when I need to terminate it.
 
Used to do Pyro risers a fair bit ,about 25 to 30 years ago and the odd repair on communal lighting here and there , still got all the tools, but haven't used it for a long time now , still good job nice to see these practices in use today..
 
Nice job !
I would have gone for a one ( if the strip lengths were not to long) or two resin joints personally as I just do not trust cw's that much , but as with most stuff that's just down to personal choice .

We are just in the middle of installing a mezzy floor in our unit and only last week while emptying some of the racking to make room for the legs , I found all of our Pyro gear and tried to work out when I had last used it ! I think it was about 8 years ago on some heating controls in a school plant room that we were installing ?

I do not tend to see it now days as my other director looks after the school side , but having said that we have had two rewires so far this year in the same village where we have reluctantly replaced the original Pyro , one in the village church with FP200 and the other in an old estate house with T+E .

In the estate house all of the cables entering the metal JB's had been soldered to the casing as well .
 
Well done with the presentation.I am sure it will be very informative for anyone not familiar working with the cable and how it is made off with good step by step instruction
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One minor tip that you practised but did not mention in the description and it is shown in your photo's

You explained how to insert the compound from one side only to minimise getting air pockets, but you did not note that you used the wrapping to cover the compound when inserting it,( not getting your mitts on the compound when filling the pot)

I therefore need to admonish you on your teaching skills,you must try harder
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Again a well presented subject and carried out by a fine electrical tradesman
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