Tell us about your faults!

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Hi ALL
Just thought id put this one up for all those faults we find.
heres one to kick it off !
Domestic RCD tripped and wouldnt reset cause was a blown low energy light bulb.:D
There you go now for yours !
 
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sajeel said:
Builders way of wiring safely after removing old consumer which by the way was functional.
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Had that on a recent job. I had installed a bank of two twin sockets temporarily while place was gutted...2.5mm radial on a 16A with a 30mA RCD.

Mains incomer got moved on a friday afternoon...so my temp dis/board no longer worked...builder worked weekend so connected my temporary radial straight into mains.

I went mental when I saw it monday morning and got laughed at for it.
 
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Kate said:
Had that on a recent job. I had installed a bank of two twin sockets temporarily while place was gutted...2.5mm radial on a 16A with a 30mA RCD.

Mains incomer got moved on a friday afternoon...so my temp dis/board no longer worked...builder worked weekend so connected my temporary radial straight into mains.

I went mental when I saw it monday morning and got laughed at for it.
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Hi Kate

Builders cannot be sparks the way I see it :eek:
 
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Andrewr3 said:
I took advice on this from the NICEIC tech help line. The practice they would like to see would be not to rely on just the screws. I agree with you engineer54 and NICEIC best practice, hence why I fixed the "fault". Even where the protective conductor is steel conduit to steel end box I would still use a fly lead. But I can see the point that when the front plate is screwed down as it should, then adequate connectivity will/could be present. When the faceplate screws are loose the circuit will always (in theory) be isolated anyway. Of course I am well aware of situations where decorators choose to loosen the face plates to paint the walls and electricians may remove a face plate while testing/on near live parts on a double pole switch or a fused spur.
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Since when does the NICEIC decide what is or isn't acceptable?? If they actually accept this method of connecting socket outlet's, FCU's and other power based wall accessories, yet another reason NOT to rely on these outfits for guidance!! Useing the face plate fixing screws as the sole means of earthing connected equipment and appliances, is not and should not, ever be acceptable!!
 
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sajeel said:
Hi Kate

Builders cannot be sparks the way I see it :eek:
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Definitely not. They are of the mentality 'well the kettle works when I plug it in so it must be right'

Dont get me started on plumbers though!!!!! My (easiest way to describe) "father-in-law" is a plumber. I visit his house regular. They are doing up the house. He knows I would do free elecs for him yet decides to do it himself...its fooking awful!!!!

Cant even get the bathrooms right...how does he think he can do elecs??? Lights tapped off rings, no sleeving at all, JB's everywhere. Rewired kitchen himself few years ago and just tapped new ring legs to nearest cable he found by cutting and JBing..ended up a balloon configuration....i never did find the other leg it was live under floor. Had to rewire it all myself.

Sorry I got started hahahaha.

In his defence..the problems with bathrooms are tile and stud wall related. Tiling was awful and water got behind them.
 
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I got called to a house to rectify a cooker circuit that had tripped and stopped working. Traced the fault all the way back to inside to cooker only to find an electrocuted mouse between live and earth.........nice!
 
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Engineer54 said:
Since when does the NICEIC decide what is or isn't acceptable?? If they actually accept this method of connecting socket outlet's, FCU's and other power based wall accessories, yet another reason NOT to rely on these outfits for guidance!! Useing the face plate fixing screws as the sole means of earthing connected equipment and appliances, is not and should not, ever be acceptable!!
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spot on!
 
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Kate said:
Definitely not. They are of the mentality 'well the kettle works when I plug it in so it must be right'

Dont get me started on plumbers though!!!!! My (easiest way to describe) "father-in-law" is a plumber. I visit his house regular. They are doing up the house. He knows I would do free elecs for him yet decides to do it himself...its fooking awful!!!!

Cant even get the bathrooms right...how does he think he can do elecs??? Lights tapped off rings, no sleeving at all, JB's everywhere. Rewired kitchen himself few years ago and just tapped new ring legs to nearest cable he found by cutting and JBing..ended up a balloon configuration....i never did find the other leg it was live under floor. Had to rewire it all myself.

Sorry I got started hahahaha.

In his defence..the problems with bathrooms are tile and stud wall related. Tiling was awful and water got behind them.
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I hear you Kate, builders and plumbers. Many times I have seen electrics done the way you mentioned. They just tap a feed it works so job done. :mad:
 
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This is how not to raise a con unit up. Nothing more I
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was at a farm this afternoon fixing the guys land rover.
now we all know that farms aren't renowned for their great electrics, but this is pretty bad.
tap was also leaking and spraying water all ways.
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Unbelievable, I was called out this morning to a home with reported no power at sockets. A this home I had previously found faults before that were caused by poor workmanship (see post #1517) by others before me. On the way I was wondering if it was something I had done. The problem reported was an RCD covering 9 circuits would not stay in, sometimes. The first problem I had was the neutrals and earths were not in the correct terminations in the CU busbars, and because it was a busy dual tariff board it took about an hour to sort that out and trace the problem to a circuit labeled "panel heaters". I completely isolated the circuit wiring and put the power back on to stop for a cup of tea. But no power still on the ring. After poking around with the voltage tester I found there was no connection across the neutral pole of the RCD. Closer inspection resulted in the neutral input wire falling out of the RCD, the screw had not ever been tightened! It was held firmly in place by the pressure of the cable coming through a tight bend on the approach. Then still problems because the CU was one of those push onto busbar Quickline models and the RCD had now pulled off the busbar at the top and it was a right fiddle to get it to fit securely. Finally got the cup of tea and then decided to trace the problem on the panel heater circuit. Switched off both panel heaters, still a fault. Pulled the covers off the panel heater SF spurs and to my surprise found the wiring live (with voltage tester). But I had wiring for the circuit at CU completely disconnected. Discovered the labels were incorrect on the CU (doh). A few minutes later I had worked out it was a neutral earth fault on a day rate Immersion water heater circuit, not panel heater circuit. Whoever refitted a 2nd bathroom with a new shower had inserted a new MCB in slot 2 and moved all the circuits along one without changing the labels, compounded by the fact the labels were incorrect at the time of the shift anyway. So me thinks no problem, the customer can use the off peak for water heating for now until sort the Immersion in slower time. But no, they had canceled the eco7 on the metered supply. I now have an immersion heater change job tomorrow morning :-( wish me luck with unscrewing it.
 
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bloody laptop scrambling text. wrist touches on board mouse pad and bollox to my typing.
 
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women, they have many faults:

men have ony two:

everything they say, and everything they do.
 
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A few years ago I was conducting a PIR inspection in a small joinery premises. There were two DBs in the building one being on all the time and fed the office small power,all lighting and alarms etc.
The other DB fed the machinery in the joinery workshop,this DB was supplied via a 3 phase RCD.
Heres the good bit, the emergency stop buttons in the workshop were wired so when one of them was
hit it created an N to earth short and thus tripped the RCD supplying the machine DB.
Apparently it had been like that for years.
 
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Had one the other day a live phase wire arching to metal backbox only when voltage applied remove excess wire fitted correctly did continuity and if tests before powering up and all good. According to client it has been like that for years.
 
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