Sounds like a simple yet tragic case of MURDER I hope they get the B*strd responsible, although I think making the assumption that one of the four electricians reported to have worked at the site is responsible is IMHO a bit harsh to say the least. Unless of course its proved beyond doubt.
 
Sounds like a simple yet tragic case of MURDER I hope they get the B*strd responsible, although I think making the assumption that one of the four electricians reported to have worked at the site is responsible is IMHO a bit harsh to say the least. Unless of course its proved beyond doubt.

murder!! how..manslaughter through incompetence maybe
 
In this case, regardless of who connected up the socket. The testing of the installation would have highlighted the fault. There are two scenarios,
1: No testing was carried out prior to when they energized the circuit. Someone must have switched it on.
Or
2: The testing had allegedly been done which is doubtful as this would have highlighted the fault. Someone didn’t test the circuit properly.

I suppose all four will have been like the three wise monkeys when it came to that one in the inquest.
 
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The person who signed the EIC off is ultimately responsible, once taken to court and up for manslaughter, I bet a name will come up!!
 
When reading the story in the paper the electrician who signed the eic said the reason it happened is that the socket in question was at the end of a fused spur and this would not show up on his tests. Plus when they tested the installation the kitchen was still an office and full of rubbish so the socket got missed.

As MB says i thought if you sign the form it's down to you.
 
murder!! how..manslaughter through incompetence maybe
I guess I'm just finding it difficult to comprehend such a level of incompetence, unless of course the work was carried out by a complete idiot or bunch of idiot cowboys,but I don't know the facts of the case so I think its a little unfair to presume that the alleged electricians were to blame theres simply not enough information in the news report.
 
well he bumped the company in 2010,so cant come after him for money,still going under a different name..its wrong i agree,someone should be held to count.
 
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When reading the story in the paper the electrician who signed the eic said the reason it happened is that the socket in question was at the end of a fused spur and this would not show up on his tests. Plus when they tested the installation the kitchen was still an office and full of rubbish so the socket got missed.

As MB says i thought if you sign the form it's down to you.

Ok I only read the OPs BBC link, but if those are the facts as stated above then I definitely agree
 
Is this not what we have been talking about on this forum for long enough you get a limited company who get badged with a "registration" company who may or may not have an electrical qualification then when things go Ptong they wind up the company and start up again because they dont get blamed the "company" does but lets not forget there are plenty of sparks out there who have the same attitude ie who cares the company will get the blame and as for the registration companies who are meant to police these people they are the ones who should hang their heads in shame because as I keep saying when did you ever hear about an individual or a company for that matter get their registration taken away from them because they found someone negligent as I said before a guy I know said he was approuched by his registration company to sort out the mess of another member when he mentioned why dont you take his registration from him and send a message out he got a shrugg of the shoulders .

And just one last thing remember the riots recently in London when the police backed off there was mayhem and individuals did what they wanted the odd thing is we are in the same situation mind will it get any better well not really but hopefully we will not create a "The Federation of Master Electricians" just like "The Federation of Master Builders" did 20-30 years ago
 
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Think it was a complete cowboy outfit , the more i have looked into it. The firm by the look was indeed wound up to avoid any chance of the family of the poor guys family suing for negligence.
 
Trouble is you'll never prove who done it and they cant throw them all inside.

Another situation I came across last week was going back to a job I had wired up with another spark to find the builder had decided to fit a socket in the bathroom for the customers electric toothbrush, he had added more lights which werent IP rated and his joints were blocks with some tape round. When I asked him what his game was he said that because the job had been signed off and build control had gone he wasnt fussed. He knew he shouldnt have been doing it but didnt have any regard for the regs or obviously for anyones safety.

Now if there was an injury/fatality there, the chances are they would go knocking on the other sparks door that I was with (his job so he signed it off) followed closely by mine.

I dont know the details of this incident and if it was the sparks who had wired it up then lets hope they get a long sentance and all the part p bodies ban them from registering again. But unfortunately work does get changed when we leave, could even of been the painter taking it off while he was working there and putting it back on wrong, its hard to prove whats happened.

Good reminder though of how one error or lack of attention could lead to something as sad as this.

Rob


Reading above posts, sounds like it was directly related to the company and installers. As mentioned if your the one doing the work, you have the responsibility, forget what some idiot in an office is trying to get you to do. One less job a day is definately worth being able to go home knowing you have left an installation safe.
 
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Tragic...but hands up all those who have never made a mistake that could have had fatal consequenses.If we are honest I'll wager there wont be many hands...It's all to easy to condemn,but errors like this are inevitable at some point,no matter how careful. There's a very fine line between getting away with it and not.

I'll also wager that everyone contributing to this thread has at some point installed something(probably minor..and last thing on a friday)... and not carried out all the tests required,or even any at all.
"Let he who is without sin.....".....you know the rest.
 
It is a tragedy and there are un answered questions which will never be resolved

It is,however,just another figure to add to a statistic that is too low to concern the rule makers
 
Well...was one of them "sparks" acting as duty holder?..If so the buck stops with him...and as for "i couldn`t test it" thats just a nonsense.....whatever happened to doing an R1 R2 and a Zs at EVERY POINT in an install?...........
 
Well...was one of them "sparks" acting as duty holder?..If so the buck stops with him...and as for "i couldn`t test it" thats just a nonsense.....whatever happened to doing an R1 R2 and a Zs at EVERY POINT in an install?...........

Yes exactly as it is the highest figure we record, as that would have been off a spur, then they cant get away with saying it may have been missed.
 
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