The price of 17th ed course

[Paul.M]

There has just been a thread posted by a learning center offering the 17th ed course and exam for £570 inc vat. The thread has been correctly removed due to not being a forum sponsor.

My question is, do you really think you need 3 days tuition to understand and pass this exam? Yes its a very important qualification that all electricians need but for the price, well can it be valid. The exam by itself costs around £35 and a few people on this forum have revised at home and just sat the exam and passed with flying colours.

People with electrical training should be able to down load past papers, look through the brb and get themselves familiar with it and save themselves a whole lot of money. After all this is no way near as hard has the 2391 that does need a lot of classroom and workshop practice and the 2391 is only about £100 more?

What are your own views and opinions on this subject? Is it to expensive? Do we need a 3 day course?

 

[tonys]

Paul

My take on it as with other courses, its a money spinner and a dam expensive one at that. I paid £434.00 for the 17th edition all in for about 18 hours in total, it broke my heart. After reading I could of done it through the JIB/ESC for £57.00 or something a long those lines.

What really does me is, there are tons of us out of work and when we do get an offer, the rates are lingering around the £12.00 an hour mark. So I would like someone to justify to me how a lecturer/tutor can be paid in the region of £20+ an hour to show me how to reference a book for an open exam?

The whole lot is a scandal to say the least and the bubble is starting to deflate.

 

[cagedanimal2010]

I dont think these short corses are the way forward, how can you learn what you need to in 3 days? And a 4 day 2391! Thats got to be crazy!

 

[High Tower]

my 2382 - 2 hrs every tues 1800-2000 hrs

£327, well worth spending the time and money doing it

 

[tonys]

I dont think these short corses are the way forward, how can you learn what you need to in 3 days? And a 4 day 2391! Thats got to be crazy!

Your right, in 1999 & 2000 when I studied the 16th and 2391 over 14 weeks, one evening a week for each course. You learned something, the tutor wanted you to learn, but that was a proper college. Now its all about pass rate, they are not bothered if you don't learn anything.

 

[Paul.M]

High tower your prices are more in line with what I think it should be.£243 cheaper, that's the price if a second hand mft off the bay.

I've just worked out the hourly rate based on 6 people in a class - the exam fee over a 3 day period if 8 hours a day and it =£110 per hour!!! I'm in the wrong game.

 

[tonys]

Paul

And no need to take off their overheads because we loose money being there and also have overheads.

I'm honestly glad I'm not starting out, its shocking the cost to become an Electrician.

 

[High Tower]

My course is through the college im doing my 2330 through. And the good thing is, it's a Tuesday night after my 2330 with a lecturer that I have during the day that I know is a1

 

[malcolmsanford]

As you have said Paul the majority of Sparks should be able to take the exam only and pass, espicially as if your a working sparks you should be conversant with the Regs.

These courses are I think mainly designed for non sparks, perhaps service engineers who have to sometimes work with electrcial installation, even managers who are not sparks but work in the electrcial industry and of course the part P Part scope merchants who need to be 7671-2008 compliant.

What should be more available is advertising an exam only test. If you can prove competance by having the correct qualifications then you should be able to by-pass a course and do the exam. I believe though now many colleges are actually doing the exam only.

 

[High Tower]

That's what the one day update course at about £100 is for, if you already have the 16th then no need to do the full course

 

[tonys]

That's what the one day update course at about £100 is for, if you already have the 16th then no need to do the full course

That's only if you had the 16th after the amendments etc

£197.00 for the one day update near me.

 

[SMB]

Hi Paul. I saw the adverts for the 17th and 2391 earlier.

I did the 3 day 17th Edition course. I did already have the 16th, and had trained under the 15th.

I think there were about 8 of us on the course, only 3 of them really had an indepth, hands on, experience in electrical installation.

I haven't worked in electrical jobs for some years now so I found the course great for my requirements. It boosted my confidence no end and set me up for the other courses I was going to undertake. It got me back into the swing of learning and studying. It gave me interest in electricity again. I started to enjoy indepth coversations with others who were also interested.

Anyway, thats not answering your question is it.......

Where I live it is possible to do the exam only, however, this is not widely advertised. A couple of guys talked about this after we had completed the course, they we upset aswell because they were capable of passing the exam without the 3 days tuition. At the time this wasn't the case for me, it was the structure of the course which helped drive me. Infact it lead me onto gaining my 2391 written exam.

Its all easy for me to say because I didnt pay for any of the courses. I had been unemployed for 6 months and the government paid for them all. No wonder England is bankrupt.

 

[sparkdog]

Did my 2382 by revising and practice but it cost £170 to take the exam without doing the course.Passed with almost 100%.

 

[SMB]

Im fairly sure that the 'exam only' option here is no more than £50.

It definately should be more greatly advertised as an option for those who are informed enough to not need the 1 day or 3 day course.

 

[High Tower]

That's only if you had the 16th after the amendments etc

£197.00 for the one day update near me.

Sorry mate diddnt realise that!

 

[Paul.M]

I've just had a look at my local college fees to see how much it would be now if I was starting out.

2330 L2 £958
2330 L3 £519
17th. £499
2391/10 £683
PAT. £189

Sub total £2848

About another £250 for books + tools. It's only the price of a house rewire, let's all become electricians so we can sit at home looking for work and talk about it in the forum .

 

[Mr.Si]

Thanks everyone for this thread, it is useful to know as the 17th is an exam I'm yet to take, so I'll see if there are places around me in the Sussex area where I can take JUST the exam and save about 90% on the price of a 2382...

Won't my Fiancee be happy with me for money saving!

BS7671 with finger tabs stuck in it is by my bed anyway, so will need to start reading it more regularly.

 

[tonys]

Sorry mate diddnt realise that!

All because I passed it 2 years earlier, even though the 16th is the 16th, had no choice as far as I know, I had to do 3 days for the 17th. No choice in the matter lol

Also mate, in the year 2000 the college would not allow anyone to enrole on the 2391 unless they had the passed the 16th Edition first.

 

[High Tower]

Still the case, well with my college anyway!

 

[tonys]

I've just had a look at my local college fees to see how much it would be now if I was starting out.

2330 L2 £958
2330 L3 £519
17th. £499
2391/10 £683
PAT. £189

Sub total £2848

About another £250 for books + tools. It's only the price of a house rewire, let's all become electricians so we can sit at home looking for work and talk about it in the forum .

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm siting at home for the next 6 months lol