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Hello, can someone please advise me. I found an electrician on Gumtree three weeks ago, I explained that i needed a complete re wire in my mobile home. He came out and priced the job at 750.00. I streesed to him that it was so important that I have all the correct paperwork after the job is done so I can have my electrics put on. I am on a temporary supply at the moment so was anxious to get the re wire done (my old wiring was degraded hence I was cut off by SEC) The electrician told me that the certificates that he gives me will be enough to prove that my home had been re wired. I completed a surface re wire within a day, and passed me the certificates DCN4 . Now im a women and i have no idea what these were but because he told me that was what I had to have, i beleived him. I sent the certificates to the director of the mobile home park where I live and one set to my lawyer. Three days later I was sent a letter from the Park management who told me that the certificate were not complete and that there was missing DCN5, which is the detailed information of what the electrician put in the home and how he did the work etc. I contacted the electrician, and he told me he had gone back to Spain and was not returning to the UK, and to contact his office, where someone there would be able to find the paperwork I needed. I did this, but was told that the company is no longer trading.
In so many words this electrician has cheated me out of 750 to do this work, without providing me with the correct certificate. I was told by him that he was fully certified as an electrician and was a member of some electrical place, yes I know, I was falling into a trap, but I live on my own with my children, and suffer with depression so trying to handle something like this was very difficult, and I was trusting him totaly. When he was here putting the re wire in, we had talked about the situation I was in (a court case that is coming up, due to my electrics and that I may lose my home) he was understanding and I did tell him, that everything must be correct and to the board because of the court case, now im down so much money and no electrics and the management are now saying i have got this electrician in to provide fraud certificates so to get my electrics put on the main supply on the Park.

I need help and advise, Please can someone tell me who i can get in contact about this electrician, not to get my money back, I know I have lost that, but to report him, something, because what he has done to me has ruined me, and left me in such a terrible mess, but to stop him doing this to someone else. Im in my 50's and I have suffered so much over the past three years due to people taking advantage of my situation and breaking me down. I need help. I do not know what I should do now. I do not know who to trust.
please please help.
 
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Form DCN5 would appear to be an NICEIC EIC (domestic installation certificate). First step, check with the park management if it has to be an NICEIC certificated installation or whether any registration body would be acceptable (such as ELECSA or NAPIT).

As the company is no longer trading the only choice would be for another registered company (NICEIC if necessary) to complete a Period Inspection Report on the installation and produce a certificate for it. Unfortunately it is not usually possible for another company to pick up the installation and certify it as newly installed.

You can find registered electricians in your area here: Local Authority Building Control - SEARCH

If you don't mind posting your location there may be a forum member in your area that may be able to help.
 
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Im sure if you post your approx location there may be someone from the forum willing to do a PIR inspection and test but this wont be an instalation cert
On an aside I ahve requested Forum admin remove your EMAIL address as this is an open forum and anyone can view your email addy Good luck
 
I would suggest as above a periodic inspection, I have done this for people who don't have installation certs, local council are always fine with it. I don't know your location but iam 10 miles from Stockport and a member of ELECSA.
 
If a DCN5 is actually an NIC-EIC, then can someone confirm what a DCN4 is please? If we know what a DCN4 is, we'll be able to advise on it's suitability for the job at hand.
 
DCN4 is a NIC-EIC Domestic Electrical Installation Certificate.
 
I think the DCN4 is the old version of the DCN5. a call to the Niceic will confirm if this cert is still acceptable. also give them the contractors details so they can confirm if he's legit or not. if the cert is no good then a periodic inspection report from any good registered electrician is the next best option, as others have already said.
 
DCN 5 is a domestic EIC for approved contractors only.

DSN 4 is the continuation schedule to accompany a DCN 5
 
If this was a bona fide company that had gone bust, then I,m pretty sure the NICEIC would sort this out and send an approved contractor to issue a PIR for the job.

It don't seem to sit right that the electrician is now in Spain and the company as gone bust ...........strange Unliess it's
Mayfair moonlighting.
 
Thank you Dr. IQ. I knew there was a simple explanation for that. :D
 
Thank you Dr. IQ. I knew there was a simple explanation for that. :D

It explains the document reference but unless there is more than 1 distribution board then I can't see why the DSN 4 would be needed.

I'm guessing the 'electrician' has issued an EIC without the results page.
 
Perhaps the OP could scan the document she has been issued with and attach it. Then we would be able to advise accurately. it seems to me that we don't really know what she's been given.
 
Wasn't the DCN4 though the old 16th form ? Which was updated to the DCN5, I have vague memories of this, as some NICEIC inspectors would allow you to use the old 16th on the 17th installs and some wouldn't, but to be honest with my memory I have trouble remembering the last time Arsenal won a trophy........;)
 
If a scan's not possible, a completed DCN 5 should have:

Page 1 With client, installation and contractors details.

Page 2 With supply characteristics and schedule of items inspected.

Page 3 With circuit details and test results

Page 4 Is just the guidance for recipients.
 
Wasn't the DCN4 though the old 16th form ? Which was updated to the DCN5, I have vague memories of this, as some NICEIC inspectors would allow you to use the old 16th on the 17th installs and some wouldn't, but to be honest with my memory I have trouble remembering the last time Arsenal won a trophy........;)

2010 Emirates Cup
 
i hear arsenal had a break-in last week. pikeys came for the cups. poor players can't have a brew now
 
The DCN4 page 1 (Domestic electrical Installation Certificate) states the following information, details of the client,details of the installation,design construction inspection and testing, particulars of electrician and company,the DCN4 page 2 (domestic Installation Certificate) states,supply charecteristics,particulars of installation at the origin,Schedule of items inspected,schedule of items tested. After reading your answers above, are you telling me that DCN5 (which is NIC certificate) is the replacement for DCN4? can some please tell me which is right, I am so confused now with this. I live in Bracknell Berkshire and need help as soon as possible to sort this out. Thank you for your help
 
The DCN4 page 1 (Domestic electrical Installation Certificate) states the following information, details of the client,details of the installation,design construction inspection and testing, particulars of electrician and company,the DCN4 page 2 (domestic Installation Certificate) states,supply charecteristics,particulars of installation at the origin,Schedule of items inspected,schedule of items tested. After reading your answers above, are you telling me that DCN5 (which is NIC certificate) is the replacement for DCN4? can some please tell me which is right, I am so confused now with this. I live in Bracknell Berkshire and need help as soon as possible to sort this out. Thank you for your help

Ok, have you got a page 3 or is that it?
 
that is it no other pages were given to me. I did though before giving him the money, asked if this was all i needed to give a sprofe of re wire (after I had talked to the council who told me I needed a check certificate (what ever that is) I told him that I had talked to someone who stated that on the certificate his test certificate number of registration should be on the paperwork, he said no and was quite upset that I had doubted him, he reminded me that he was fully qualified and that his work did not need to be checked because of his statues as an electrician. he actually baffled me with this, so I beleived him and passed over the money.
 
you should have a third page which is basically a table that takes up the full sheet where the electrician has written in the boxes different numbers and letters. if you dont have that then it explainas why it is incomplete then the best bet is unfortunatley pay more money and get an electrician out to do a periodic inspection report
 
I guessed what had happened in post 13, page 3 is the test results page without which, your 'certificate' is not valid.

Your only real option as has already been mentioned is to pay a competent electrician to carry out a periodic inspection on the installation.

I know it's too late now but if you're already involved in a court case 'involving your electrics' what made you use Gumtree as a source for an electrician?
 
I have been told by southern electric contracting (who do the electrics on the park where I live, that I need to get a DCN5, is that what you are stating above and is called a periodic inspection report, if it is not, will this report be good enough if I get it
 
I have been told by southern electric contracting (who do the electrics on the park where I live, that I need to get a DCN5, is that what you are stating above and is called a periodic inspection report, if it is not, will this report be good enough if I get it

Under normal circumstances you would produce a DCN 5 but that can only be produced by the installer.

For re-connection of supplies for whatever reason, electricity suppliers will accept a periodic inspection report with a 'satisfactory' assessment.
 
The reason I used Gumtree is that I have never had problems before when I needed a builder or such like, I did not think that this would have happened to me. I am a women on my own with children and no one to actually discuss things with before hand
 
The reason I used Gumtree is that I have never had problems before when I needed a builder or such like, I did not think that this would have happened to me. I am a women on my own with children and no one to actually discuss things with before hand

Considering the advise you have had off the forum members

It is sad that you found this place when problems arose instead of when the work was required and then finding gumtree instead
You may have found the same level of advise you are given with finding a suitable electrician to have done the job


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I know nothing Mr Fawlty............
If this was a bona fide company that had gone bust, then I,m pretty sure the NICEIC would sort this out and send an approved contractor to issue a PIR for the job.

It don't seem to sit right that the electrician is now in Spain and the company as gone bust ...........strange Unliess it's
Mayfair moonlighting
.
 
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