Lights in porch soffit

[Tinyotall]

Hi could someone clarify. Would lights in a porch soffit be a minor or major cert?

 

[DurhamSparky]

Minor or Major..

you have Minor works or Electrical installation....!!!

if new circuit then EIC
if spur from circuit MW

plus its Notifiyable to LABC

 

[yellowvanman]

If adding to an existing circuit - Minor.

Generally if you have to go into the CU to add/change a fuse or breaker then its 'major', all else is minor!

 

[Tinyotall]

Sorry GU10 downlights spured from hall light.

As a secondary question would led lights make a difference to the cert?

 

[DurhamSparky]

no led would not make a difference..!!

what is the IP rating of your lights...!!

 

[Tinyotall]

ip55, are led not classed as elv? and does that not make a difference? been reading lots of things and they all contradict....

So if fitting with 12v does this make a diffence? (dam my head hurts)

 

[nick611]

No. existing circuit exstended [minor works cert] . type of fitting makes no difference

 

[nick611]

your ip rating isn;t that big a factor. your lights are in a soffit, rain dos,nt fall upwards

 

[DurhamSparky]

your ip rating isn;t that big a factor. your lights are in a soffit, rain dos,nt fall upwards

must be the most stupidest comment i have heard...!!! so what about directional rain...!! i.e where the wind blows it..! oh and moisture....

 

[nick611]

nope not all outside fittings are ip 4 rated some are only ip2 so not such a stupid answer was it. know it all

 

[Octopus]

ip55, are led not classed as elv? and does that not make a difference? been reading lots of things and they all contradict....

So if fitting with 12v does this make a diffence? (dam my head hurts)

12v powered by a battery may be different!

 

[DurhamSparky]

how do you know he was going to fit IP rated lights!!!

you need to get off your high horse and think logical with your brain for a change!!

 

[nick611]

moisture in the air has no effect on electrical fittings i,ve seen plenty of batton holders under open porches with no problems. so your post was pretty stupid

 

[Adam W]

ELV wiring (data, coax etc) doesn't need notifying, but if you're installing MR16 lamps the chances are you'll also be installing transformers, which use a 230v feed.

 

[DurhamSparky]

yawn...!

 

[nick611]

you should remember that this is a fourum. not a stage for you to have a pop at other people or make out you know more than anyone else

 

[telectrix]

load tubes 1,2,and 3 !!!!!

 

[Tinyotall]

ELV wiring (data, coax etc) doesn't need notifying, but if you're installing MR16 lamps the chances are you'll also be installing transformers, which use a 230v feed.

sooooo... would these MR16 need a Electrical Cert or a minor?

 

[DurhamSparky]

Minor!

 

[Adam W]

If you're just extending an existing circuit minor, if adding a new circuit EIC.

 

[DurhamSparky]

you should remember that this is a fourum. not a stage for you to have a pop at other people or make out you know more than anyone else

please explain my "POP" and also explain "know more" than any one else..!!

oh and for you little childish comment of "know it all" you contradict your self in so many ways!!

 

[telectrix]

moisture in the air has no effect on electrical fittings i,ve seen plenty of batton holders under open porches with no problems. so your post was pretty stupid

moisture in the air corroded through a 12" x 9" RSJ on my property. buggered up the electrical fittings as well.

 

[Tinyotall]

So to sum up no matter what fittings 12v or 240v all I need is a Minor Cert?

 

[DurhamSparky]

YES that is correct...!!

 

[Adam W]

If it's an outside light it'll need notifying as well.

 

[Tinyotall]

If it's an outside light it'll need notifying as well.

So notifiable and non are separate issues?

 

[DurhamSparky]

Your outside light needs a Minor Works Cert for the work and also it needs notifying to Building control for approval on completion...

 

[Tinyotall]

Is there a detailed chart of Minor and EIC and notifiable and non?

 

[DurhamSparky]

are you an electrician...???

 

[DurhamSparky]

i suggest you use this site...!!

Local Authority Building Control - HOME

sorry for been a bit arsey but 1 person a day who dies from electrocution is 1 too many!!

 

[telectrix]

now to bring some controversy into the equation. its in a porch. it's attached to the building fabric. so not notifiable. minor works certificate.

 

[Tinyotall]

now to bring some controversy into the equation. its in a porch. it's attached to the building fabric. so not notifiable. minor works certificate.

Is this so?

 

[telectrix]

i may be wrong. but as i understand part p, outside electrics, as in remote from the house, garden, shed, ponds, etc. are notifiable. anything attached to the house, e.g. porch lights, security lights etc. are not notifiable

 

[i=p/u]

you know your stuff tel. they let you out of zoo yet?

 

[telectrix]

sent me home with a bunch of bananas , mate.

 

[Adam W]

As per EGtBR (p60) it includes "Outdoor lighting or outdoor power installations" with no mention of being screwed down.

 

[i=p/u]

good good? any work for me then, £20 per hour is my rates

 

[telectrix]

As per EGtBR (p60) it includes "Outdoor lighting or outdoor power installations" with no mention of being screwed down.

yes. agree with outdoor lighting/installations. but anything fixed to the fabric of the building is just an extension to the indoor installation as if it were an extra light or socket in a room.

 

[Octopus]

i may be wrong. but as i understand part p, outside electrics, as in remote from the house, garden, shed, ponds, etc. are notifiable. anything attached to the house, e.g. porch lights, security lights etc. are not notifiable

I'm not sure I agree with this, can't really see the difference between an outside light attached to a post or the house, both are supplied from the house!

 

[Adam W]

I think it's more of a special location because of the exposure to the elements, like exposure to water jets in a bathroom, steam in a sauna etc.

 

[DurhamSparky]

i think its an Outdoor light and should be treated as such..!

 

[Dazza1976]

now to bring some controversy into the equation. its in a porch. it's attached to the building fabric. so not notifiable. minor works certificate.

Funnily enough I was about to ask this same question, as I also read somewhere that if the fitting is attached to the building then it does not need notifying. Can anyone else clarify this ??

 

[telectrix]

i think its an Outdoor light and should be treated as such..!

so what if he fits an outside door to the porch? it's indoors then. will re-read part p when next i get bored out of my skull.

 

[telectrix]

Funnily enough I was about to ask this same question, as I also read somewhere that if the fitting is attached to the building then it does not need notifying. Can anyone else clarify this ??

my interpretation of part pee exactly.

 

[Adam W]

so what if he fits an outside door to the porch? it's indoors then. will re-read part p when next i get bored out of my skull.

Didn't he say the lights were going in the soffit? Making them outside and exposed?

 

[Adam W]

So can you get out of having to notify work in kitchens and bathrooms by screwing the fittings to the fabric of the building?

 

[telectrix]

still attached to the fabric of the building.

 

[brucelee]

tel has this right
light fixed to outside wall attached to building doesnt need notifying if not a new circuit

a socket does as this could be used to supply a cable that crosses the garden

 

[cbw]

So its an EIC then and not a minor works, due to upside down rain.


For some reason I am now singing purple rain.......................

 

[malcolmsanford]

(i)
The installation of equipment attached to the
outside wall of a house (for example security
lighting, air conditioning equipment and radon
fans) is not notifiable provided that there are
no exposed outdoor connections and the
work does not involve the installation of a
new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a
kitchen or special location or associated with
a special installation.

I would say that Tel was right and it is not notifiable, as long as it adheres to above taken from the Part P silliness.