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DanBrown

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I am planning on taking up a course on the 17th edition wiring regs - 2382, and was curious as to how hard it was, baring in mind that i am on my 2330 2nd year apprenticship. Is anyone else in my situation who has taken the test, and what was the outcome.
What is the chance on me passing?, or am i too eager..

Thanks for your comments.......
 
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Cirrus

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I may be wrong but I was talking to someone in the know here who said that you need to have finished the 2330 in order to show the test centre that you are qualified enough to simply take the one day course. Ifonly in your second year then you will probably find your college will build something in for you. I know my college have
 
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MacSparky

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Hi Dan, i am also in my 2nd year and have booked in for the 17th exam on its own which i am sitting thurs 6th march (next week). I have basically studied from home with the new regs book but will let you know how it goes next week, btw i was not asked for any previous quals when i booked this exam and it is a a registered GOLA center and it was £80. I decided to take it early 'cos im 36 years young now and time is one thing i aint got like some of the younger members, just hope i haven't bitten off more than i can chew....lol
Hope that helps.:D
Regards
MacSparky:)
 
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Cirrus

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Hmm <he says in a confused voice>

Fortunately my college have agreed to teach us the course and give us the exam at the end of it for only £20 after we sit the final 301 exam
 
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MacSparky

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Lucky you....lol were lucky if we can get info about the coffe machine at the college i attend....bloddy useless.....only been waiting 3 months now for the center number and password for the C&G smartscreen that were entitled too......yet were the paying customers....lol:eek:
 
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Shakey

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2382 is not particulalry hard, its easier than the 16th edition 2381, because you ONLY have BS7671 to examined on, instead of the regs AND the OSG .

so thats all the conduit and trunking factors questions gone!

Just do some practice exams and go for it.

And remember this: "go out and come back in"

what i mean is: you are searching for answer using what you think is the keyword out of the question, and you are getting nowhere. Close the book, re-read the question and go back in from a different angle

Oh and make sure you know the table in the appendices that is the installation methods for flat twin and earth in thermal insualation (methods 100, 101, 102 etc) This table will lead you to a table of current carrying capacitites for these cables (think its 4D5)

so you will be asked something like "2.5 mm thermoplastic in 60mm of thermal insualtion against a wooden panel - what is current carrying capacity"

hope this helps
 
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DanBrown

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Thanks guys for your advice.
Hope to hear from your exam outcome ''MacSparky'' and good look with it.
 
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MacSparky

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Thanks very much and thanks to shakey for the heads up.:)
I'll be sure to get back to you:Dor:mad:....
 
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bahco

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im starting my 17th edition in april, they didnt even ask me if i was working in the industry, basically just took my money and that was it
 
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MacSparky

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I Passed!!!!!:eek:
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Sat the 2382 on thursday and got the result today by phone as the C&G link went down.
Well chuffed to say the least. Home study with the regs book and some practice with the electacourse simulator, job done......lol
Next step....2391!;)
 
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bahco

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congratulations mate

how was it? easier than you thought
 
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Shakey

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Well done, most people pass it on the first attempt.

if you are 'new' to this game, i would reccomend the 2392 before jumping in to the 2391

but you pays your money, you takes your choice!!!
 
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MacSparky

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Cheers fella's but as far as the 2391 goes, im going for the jugular on this one:p
 
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Bane

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Well done Macsparky.

Really happy for you, good to have people sharing their success with us.
 
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Skotz

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Just sat the 17th edition test on Friday and we were told by the instructor that as the new OSG had not been published yet that we would get no questions relating to the OSG. I decided to take the 16th edition OSG in with me anyway and I was glad I did as it helped me answer about 4 questions. One of the questions was about what type of situation would you fit a type D BS EN 60898 circuit breaker, could I find the answer in the 17th edition book no chance but its there in the index of the OSG. So I would recommend taking in the OSG no matter what you have been told.

Oh and I passed .... well chuffed.
 
damn, I spilt milk all over my osg, wanting to upgrade to the 17th soon, gonna have a blast at the 2391 first, with a 33% pass rate at the moment, looks good dun it ;)
 
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MacSparky

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Nice 1 skotz, and good luck luke with the 2391.....let us know what you think:)
 
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Shakey

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damn, I spilt milk all over my osg, wanting to upgrade to the 17th soon, gonna have a blast at the 2391 first, with a 33% pass rate at the moment, looks good dun it ;)
Luke, pretty sure the last 2391 exam based on the 16th edition is this Thursday.

The next exam in June is 17th edition based, so expect questions on:

New IR values
Verification of phase sequence
Evaluation of voltage drop using circuit impedence

New terminology (Basic and fault protection)
Plus all the paperwork has changed to reflect the 17th (particulalrly the schedule of insspections)

To be honest i would SERIOUSLY consider dong the 17th update first, the 2391 is hard enough as it is without questions on an edition of the regs you may be unfamiliar with!!!
 
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MacSparky

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How frequent are the 2391 exams shakey? and what would you say is the best way to prepare for them? thanks in advance:)
 
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mdavismccoy

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Congratulations MacSparky,

Where did you take your exam, could you just book it as an external student, I am struggling to find a centre locally who will let me just sit the exam. As I will study at home myself. You said you waited 3 months for a number and a password. Was this for the online exam.

Where you able to go back to questions when you wanted to change anything, and at the end of the questions they all went through the system, not where you answer a question the result is final no chance of changing a mistake.
 
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Shakey

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Congratulations MacSparky,

Where did you take your exam, could you just book it as an external student, I am struggling to find a centre locally who will let me just sit the exam. As I will study at home myself. You said you waited 3 months for a number and a password. Was this for the online exam.

Where you able to go back to questions when you wanted to change anything, and at the end of the questions they all went through the system, not where you answer a question the result is final no chance of changing a mistake.
you can flag questions and review them at the end

registration process is up to 48 hrs before you sit the exam, thats it

exam itself is 30 quid. i suppose centres dont want your business cos theres no money in it, but theres nothing to stop them charging you say, 50 or sixty quid to cover your exam fee and the invigilators time

keep trying!!!

How frequent are the 2391 exams shakey? and what would you say is the best way to prepare for them? thanks in advance:)
there is about 6 or 7 exams a year next is june, then in july then oct (i think) you can get the dates off the c&G website, or i will post them here tommorrow (time permitting)!

registration for written exam is last working day of month before the month before the exam. So cut off for todays written exam was 31 jan. You get your written result within 42 working days. Practical resists are minimum 48hrs.


Best way to prepare?

Practical: time on the meter, Every chance you get, test your house, other peoples houses, anything - and try and include industrial three phase boards.

Ze, PEFC, PSCC, R1+R2, r1, rn etc etc these should be tripping off your tongue and be second nature to you

Written exam: get GN3 and the regs. Know GN3 arse backwards. Get past exam papers, as many as possible, and do them. then do them again

best of luck!!!!
 
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MacSparky

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Thanks shakey, have taken your advice on board and appreciate the input from everyone.
Regards,
MacSparky:)
 
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sparky64

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1st Post.

I reckon it will be easier for younger people.
I Started on the 14th version and on every change find it increasingly harder to get used to the changes. Not so much the changes but the layouts to the regs.
I took the 17th on Friday after a 2 1/2 day course (not allowed to take refresher as i took the 16th pre 2001) And found myself still trying to use the old numbering system (bit stuck in my ways)
Not sure i like taking the test online though, Its more nerve wracking than pen and paper. And that countdown timer is Not nice.
I also had my casio fx-83ms calc taken of me as they thought it was a programmable one.

Oh And i passed. And it was nice to find this out within 15 mins.
 
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MacSparky

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Congratulations MacSparky,

You said you waited 3 months for a number and a password. Was this for the online exam.
Hi Mdavis, i was referring to the c&g smartscreen website for learners above..... No i used a college called Prospects in Basildon, cost £80 plus the vat and just rang them up, no pre requisites necessary mate. Not sure if i'm allowed to mention college names...oops! not affiliated to it just answering the question peeps:rolleyes:

Arranging the 2391 this week, gonna give it a few months or so before i sit it though....:)
 
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Shakey

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1st Post.

I reckon it will be easier for younger people.
I Started on the 14th version and on every change find it increasingly harder to get used to the changes. Not so much the changes but the layouts to the regs.
I took the 17th on Friday after a 2 1/2 day course (not allowed to take refresher as i took the 16th pre 2001) And found myself still trying to use the old numbering system (bit stuck in my ways)
Not sure i like taking the test online though, Its more nerve wracking than pen and paper. And that countdown timer is Not nice.
I also had my casio fx-83ms calc taken of me as they thought it was a programmable one.

Oh And i passed. And it was nice to find this out within 15 mins.
why didnt you just take the update course, but sit the full exam instead of the update??

I dont like exisiting regs holders taking the full course.

the full course teaches the regs, but what people like you need too know is what has CHANGED in the regs. You wouldnt neccesarily get this through the full course

still, you pays your money, you takes your choice;)
 
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wayne

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shakey ,my 16th is pre 2001 and i,ve gotta do the full course
every organisation i've contacted has said c&g rules mate
which is f*****king ridiculous the course is on what we know of the 17th not the 16th or the 15th .
as for knowing the 16th ,evry job ive installed inspected tested certified (some not my own) has been to the 16th how can i sign a job off if i don't know the regs ,or are they saying because my quali is pre 2001 (which my 239 isnt)all my testing is invalid?
 
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Shakey

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shakey ,my 16th is pre 2001 and i,ve gotta do the full course
every organisation i've contacted has said c&g rules mate
which is f*****king ridiculous the course is on what we know of the 17th not the 16th or the 15th .
as for knowing the 16th ,evry job ive installed inspected tested certified (some not my own) has been to the 16th how can i sign a job off if i don't know the regs ,or are they saying because my quali is pre 2001 (which my 239 isnt)all my testing is invalid?

Wayne,

then they are misenterpretating the rules!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

C&G state for pre 2001 2381, and pre 2004 2330, you must sit C&G 2382-10 which is the full 17th edition exam.

Thats it - the exam. They mentuion nothing about the course - sure there are guided learning hours, but it dont take einstein to work out that somone who has been doing the regs for years does not need the same tuition as someone 'green':mad:

No, the requirement is that you do the full exam, thats it. And doing the 1 day update and doing the full exam instead of the update exam is the best way for expereinced people to do it.;)
 
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wayne

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Wayne,

then they are misenterpretating the rules!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

C&G state for pre 2001 2381, and pre 2004 2330, you must sit C&G 2382-10 which is the full 17th edition exam.

Thats it - the exam. They mentuion nothing about the course - sure there are guided learning hours, but it dont take einstein to work out that somone who has been doing the regs for years does not need the same tuition as someone 'green':mad:

No, the requirement is that you do the full exam, thats it. And doing the 1 day update and doing the full exam instead of the update exam is the best way for expereinced people to do it.;)
totally totally agree but every training centre i've contacted on this tell me i have to do the full 4 day course .And of course they are, after all why sting me for the one day when they can sting me for the 4 day .
im looking for options
 
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mdavismccoy

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Hi Wayne, I had the same problem, I just wanted to do the exam. I am versitile with regs 15th, 16th and working throught the 17th now. Finally found a place who will let me just do the exam.

I am in a rush at the moment to go on, but depending where you are in the country there are places. Will post more information later.
 
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wayne

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yorkshire -gods own county:D
 
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