5 week short courses

[FatAlan]

One thing I’ve come to realise in like is that -------- does baffle brains. There are those that know how and those that know why. The world tends to be governed by the bullshites who use the doers to their own ends. More fool me!

 

[peterhyper]

3-5 years training to do house bashing seems over the top to me, but as already highlighted some people are able to pick things up easier than others.

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

 

[gazdkw82]

This has been about talked to death. It's a tricky one because some quality Sparks will filter through but the general consensus of the courses is that you will be guided on how to pass. Not given the knowledge and experience to pass on your own merits.

That scares me.

 

[Andy78]

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

It's already been established he is an out of work plasterer on the wind up.

 

[Starjack]

Some good replies, and I agree with some of them But Some replies are answering the question wrong, If you have prior knowledge or a general grasp of things then that is fine.
My Main Question is: Should Someone who as only ever worked in a different field Ie Fast food outlet, office, window cleaner be allowed to sit a 5 week course and then immediately set up a company and go around charging the unsuspecting public for their services, then ( and it happens ) come on somewhere like here And ask how to do a job that they are charging some poor sod for.

 

[Squid]

If you haven't done an apprenticeship and been tied up naked in a basement with swarfega around your meat and two veg then you have no right to call yourself an "electrician"........

 

[Starjack]

3-5 years training to do house bashing seems over the top to me, but as already highlighted some people are able to pick things up easier than others.

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

On the contrary , we are snowed under but as I have explained in other threads, when you have money and power and Minions earning you money then you can do as you wish with your time.
I do a lot of work from my laptop now and it's not hard to do that while checking my bank balance and popping in here to reply to my fans.

 

[DPG]

Here we go again

 

[richy3333]

3 weeker with alleged engineering degree! Incompetence is incompetence. Some pics posted before.

 

[Squid]

On the contrary , we are snowed under but as I have explained in other threads, when you have money and power and Minions earning you money then you can do as you wish with your time.
I do a lot of work from my laptop now and it's not hard to do that while checking my bank balance and popping in here to reply to my fans.

 

[Squid]

3 weeker with alleged engineering degree! Incompetence is incompetence. Some pics posted before. View attachment 47670View attachment 47671View attachment 47672View attachment 47673View attachment 47674View attachment 47675View attachment 47676View attachment 47677

I was hoping that would be at the training centre, but I doubt it.

 

[peterhyper]

On the contrary , we are snowed under but as I have explained in other threads, when you have money and power and Minions earning you money then you can do as you wish with your time.
I do a lot of work from my laptop now and it's not hard to do that while checking my bank balance and popping in here to reply to my fans.

So at least you have no concerns with the 5 week spark courses as they clearly aren't preventing you from makng so much money you don't need to leave your house/mansion.

 

[Squid]

I think I will open up a training centre, Be A Spark in Two Weeks and charge 25% less than the ones offering a 5 week coarse, at least they will be out there earning money far more quickly.

 

[edexlab]

3 weeker with alleged engineering degree! Incompetence is incompetence. Some pics posted before. View attachment 47670View attachment 47671View attachment 47672View attachment 47673View attachment 47674View attachment 47675View attachment 47676View attachment 47677

We've all seen this sort of stuff before

You can't trust some people to do up their own shoelaces!

I think it's genetic some people just can't do it, they know this but don't give a @#!$
not just Electrical Trainee's as I have met a few very conscientious ones,
It happens across the board we've all met apprentice trained people your afraid to stand next to when they're working

My mate says it's Nature as in the stupid ones take risks that can kill them

He says H&S goes against Darwin's theory and allows these idiots to thrive by protecting them from themselves and the intelligent ones are becoming endangered as they're outnumbered by numptys creating lethal situations

ie in the past Stupid John the village idiot often met a nasty end due to bad judgement and his stupid genes die out

Unfortunately these idiots leave a trail of danger behind them before they get a wake up call

I've met lots of people all chancing their hand at something they think will earn them mega bucks, all talk and No substance

Tbh I think that asides from stricter skills tests, practical and theory being the best long term solution,
The only way of stopping it would be having compulsory licensing and third party inspection for certain grades of workers in the electrical trades but I guess this would get watered down when not enough people passed


To the OP
I've also heard that in Germany you are licensed to a certain grade and have to complete a business course before you can go self employed, therefore only the proven can tout their trade independently

If this is true it would be a good system to adopt.

 

[Rpa07]

I think those without experience, but qualifications, will not stand the test of time, yes they’ll do a few jobs and will be able to hide some inexperienced bodges but the stuff that can be seen won’t be good enough to get them recurring work and they’ll have to either try a different trade or go on the books with someone to gain experience.
I did two 22 week courses to get me to domestic installer then I went looking for experience and I got mentored by a very meticulous but lazy time served spark. 18 months of doing most of the work myself but gaining so much experience - he ended up owing me about 2 grand but I’d have paid him for what I got out of it.
I love this job and the people and the freedom and the forum has helped immensely.

 

[FatAlan]

Some good replies, and I agree with some of them But Some replies are answering the question wrong, If you have prior knowledge or a general grasp of things then that is fine.
My Main Question is: Should Someone who as only ever worked in a different field Ie Fast food outlet, office, window cleaner be allowed to sit a 5 week course and then immediately set up a company and go around charging the unsuspecting public for their services, then ( and it happens ) come on somewhere like here And ask how to do a job that they are charging some poor sod for.

Gut reaction is no but there are still too many viarables as already mentioned. If someone who has done an intensive 5 week course is able to correctly spec and safely install a piece of work then why not? There are plenty of so called time served professionals out there in all fields that do substandard jobs.

 

[SparkyChick]

My Main Question is: Should Someone who as only ever worked in a different field Ie Fast food outlet, office, window cleaner be allowed to sit a 5 week course and then immediately set up a company and go around charging the unsuspecting public for their services, then ( and it happens ) come on somewhere like here And ask how to do a job that they are charging some poor sod for.

And I guess this is one of my biggest gripes... wtf is wrong with people coming to an electricians forums and asking for advice ffs? Who'd have thought it eh???

Would you rather people ask for advice (and possibly back away from a job when - if - they realise they are out of their depth) or simply plow head long into projects they have zero clue about?

I know which I'd prefer, and I have benefited from the wealth of experience here, which is why I get so angry when people publicly crush those who are looking to learn and improve. The people who don't give a ---- are not going to come here and seek advice, they are just going to carry on regardless.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

And I guess this is one of my biggest gripes... wtf is wrong with people coming to an electricians forums and asking for advice ffs? Who'd have thought it eh???

Would you rather people ask for advice (and possibly back away from a job when - if - they realise they are out of their depth) or simply plow head long into projects they have zero clue about?

I know which I'd prefer, and I have benefited from the wealth of experience here, which is why I get so angry when people publicly crush those who are looking to learn and improve. The people who don't give a **** are not going to come here and seek advice, they are just going to carry on regardless.

I find, that if you explain what’s involved, you often get asked to do the work.

 

[Starjack]

And I guess this is one of my biggest gripes... wtf is wrong with people coming to an electricians forums and asking for advice ffs? Who'd have thought it eh???

Would you rather people ask for advice (and possibly back away from a job when - if - they realise they are out of their depth) or simply plow head long into projects they have zero clue about?

I know which I'd prefer, and I have benefited from the wealth of experience here, which is why I get so angry when people publicly crush those who are looking to learn and improve. The people who don't give a **** are not going to come here and seek advice, they are just going to carry on regardless.

And there it is!!!!!!
They shouldn't be meddling with stuff if they don't know what they are doing, so is this how the world is going.

1
Fast food worker , total numpty at the beginning of the month

2
Goes on a wham bam thank you mam course
3
Pay their cheque
4
Register as self employed Electrician
5
Goes on their first job, can't do it because they rapidly find out they're not an electrician and then goes on a forum and asks for a dot to dot guide on what to do.
6
The fast food worker/ sorry " electrician" then collects his/ her money and moves onto the next poor sod.
Tell me I'm wrong, and I'm not being rude but that is how it is.

 

[Squid]

And I guess this is one of my biggest gripes... wtf is wrong with people coming to an electricians forums and asking for advice ffs? Who'd have thought it eh???

Would you rather people ask for advice (and possibly back away from a job when - if - they realise they are out of their depth) or simply plow head long into projects they have zero clue about?

I know which I'd prefer, and I have benefited from the wealth of experience here, which is why I get so angry when people publicly crush those who are looking to learn and improve. The people who don't give a **** are not going to come here and seek advice, they are just going to carry on regardless.

Chill out babes ---