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davrejonas

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Got called into to work today for a meeting, this was a first fix on a kitchen, had to do 2 that day and didnt get in the first till gone 11.30 so was rushing like mad, manager came in took some pictures and has gave us the following list, we had previously been told not to have more than one row of capping as outside zones so cables were bunched up, we were going like 100 miles an hour

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pic 1 fixing screw directly through capping causing burrs, any pressure put on wall on wall like tiles could result in breakdown of insulation and cables shorting out
cables ran with no protection against plastering trowel
evidence of sheathing being hammered to get into flat position pressure faults could happen
10mm earth cable stretched between box potential break down of continuity
pic 2 screw through capping i pre drilled this the opposite side to avoid sharps, you can see on pic
pic 3 wiring not protected
wiring crossed over causing potential pressure fault
cable held in position by screw,,,,,this was a wedge, i know its not great but not tight against cable
pic 4 screw through capping, no capping to protect cables crossed over,,, cable held in position by screw,,,,,,,this was a capping wedge then capping cut short
pic 5 cable no protection, chases very untidy.....

would like to know your thoughts, really wanna have a good argument for them tomorrow as got kids and cant afford to be dismissed, i know the screw wedge is bad but i think the rest are kinda just being picky
 
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davrejonas

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no wind up, we had to do that day so like a said, we were rushing

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i meant to say 2
 
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I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I did work like that. End of.
 
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You should be ashamed of that....appalling.....No electrician would leave a job like that no matter how rushed.
Blunt I know......but that IS appalling.
 
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On second thoughts this is a wind up ,right?
 
HA sorry mate but it looks like complete cr4p! Given 2 a day is no excuse for installing that rubbish. You should of refused to rush. i wouldnt pay a penny for that work im afraid
 
I'd rather have done a couple of extra hours on the job mate and used it as a bargaining tool for a buckshee morning off.
Good luck for the meeting
 

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wow, that is some very poor work

what time did you finsih????
 
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I'm intrigued as to why anyone would post a pic of such a pigs ear of a job unless they are having a Steffi Graff......if this is real do you really expect the pro's on here to say "Well....nothing wrong with that really.....you might get the tin tack?...OMG....what an injustice!"
 

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OMG.....rushing or not, that is totally unacceptable, I've seen far better DIY jobs than that. Sorry....but if I saw work like that, I'd sack someone...(if I had that kind of authority!).
 

kingeri

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It wouldn't have taken any longer to do a decent job - I would have to really concentrate and put a lot of time in to making something look so pants.
 

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I'm intrigued as to why anyone would post a pic of such a pigs ear of a job unless they are having a Steffi Graff......if this is real do you really expect the pro's on here to say "Well....nothing wrong with that really.....you might get the tin tack?...OMG....what an injustice!"
If he is'nt he's got no defence has he? Frightening to think what has been left in their wake. Speechless that he thinks it's defendable.
 
Even I wouldn't own up to that!
 

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Im not usually one to kick a man while hes down but to be honest its a total shambles, if i had an apprentice doing that level of work id would also be putting an add in the local rag for a new one, i understand you have time restraints but if you did the job correctly first time with possible a few hours extra input then you could have shown willing to ensure good job done even with time start issues, all bosses like to keep you on your toes with with unreasonable targets and im sure if 1130 start was out of your control they would give lee-way if you couldn't achieve the target..... your only defense here is the late start but it really is little argument for the poor quality of work.
To note though capping is designed to protect from plasterers so highly recommended on bare walls but chases dont usually put cables at risk in this way and clipping would have sufficed as long as chases are not wider than a plaster trowel. This is a individual preference so if you company, clark of works, council etc specify it then it needs capping.

If you have had a clean slate so far you should only be getting a verbal warning if they are going by the books unless your on trial period then it may be the worse.... this is why a 3- 4 yrs apprenticeship is vital (education + on-site), no qualified electrician should be doing work on that level - correct me if my assumption is wrong.

Sorry for the harshness but you wont learn anything if people soften their opinion. Good-luck though and welcome to the forum.
 
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No wonder I'm struggling to make this game pay. I'm constantly being told I'm too expensive - if this is the sort of cheap rubbish work I'm up against then I guess I must be.

I'm not sure who's actually at fault here though. You, for thinking this is an acceptable standard, or the company for putting you under so much pressure you're forced to do work like that. Or maybe some of both.
 
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Apologies if my post comes over as harsh or offends in anyway but after looking at the pics i've gotta say thats some of the worst install pics i've seen for a long time now.

Rushed or not there's no excuse for such work EVER by anyone. Tbh if i'd have been shown such pics anywhere but here i'd say they was done by someone who has had next to no training and has next to no respect for Electricity or the Electrical trade in general.

Hopefully it's as been said before.......gotta be a wind up......if not i'd honestly say stick to kitchen fitting and leave electrical install's alone, no matter what paperwork you might hold from a scam company (if any paperwork is held at all of course).
 
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What makes me think the OP will not come back to comment but to be fair this is what we have all been shouting about poor training poor policing of the trade and a company management set up that likes to abuse the individual. So after all of that I would advise the OP to take it on the chin and say to himself can and will do better next time and for the people who thinks some of the above posts are a bit harsh well listen these guys served their time with guys who would not accept that type of work hence raising the standards because without them we would be no better than some of the east europeans who are here for a quick buck
 

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I can see this thread invitebly getting closed as i doubt there is going to be any positive feedback and fully believe OP has got the message by now!
 

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This has got to be a wind up.
No previous posts and then uploading pictures of such obviously sub-standard work.
 

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No wonder I'm struggling to make this game pay. I'm constantly being told I'm too expensive - if this is the sort of cheap rubbish work I'm up against then I guess I must be.

I'm not sure who's actually at fault here though. You, for thinking this is an acceptable standard, or the company for putting you under so much pressure you're forced to do work like that. Or maybe some of both.

What ever happened to pride in the job and job satisfaction. I could have neither if I had done a job like that. An electrician used to be seen as a respected craftsman but now seems to be seen as a semi skilled manual worker.
I have just seen the OP wanted advise well i would say get some training and grow a pair of balls, stand up for yourself and dont be pressured into producing poor work that will give you a bad name and endanger others.
 
When I served my time I was sent up into a loft with no light of any description to put cables in for a loft light. As a result I got the cables twisted and after a slap was told to rip it out and do it properly (quite rightly looking back). If I'd done anything like those pics I'd have been on the wrong end of a bloody good hiding, then the sack.
 
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Swicade

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Would be interested to know if the OP/firm they work for is NIC/Elecsa/Napit members tbh and also how far away from the normal installation this is.....especialy as i get the impression OP believes this isn't a bad job apart from being rushed.

On the plus side...at least there's open grommets fitted to the back boxes....
 
wow, that is some very poor work

what time did you finsih????
Looking at that, he started at 11:30 and finished at 12.


My wife even laughed at that photo.
 
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I am either in shock or someone is taking the scotch mist! Fair dues, he had the brass to consider it a fair job at a rush :)
 

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I know what it is all about... Dom littlewood just chased him and handed him the pics of his last job, he agreed an interview but looking for a defense ;)... Cowboy Builders

Checkout out OP name its an anagram of Rogue trader ;)
 
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Sorry but I would not pay for that [email protected] and yes you would be sacked
 

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