Wetroom Store - Network Wetroom Suppliers
This official sponsor may provide discounts for members

Discuss Electrical competence in the Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Aico 3000
Gavin John Hyde

Gavin John Hyde

-
Esteemed
Arms
Patron
If i recall correctly british gas were elecsa registered.

You could as boss do a 3 week domestic course then join niceic. They would almost certainly let you join the ac scheme as limited scope just for plumbing and heating bits. If you dont have 2391 you do a online test they offer instead.
They basically want your money
 
C

Cbuk2k2

-
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #51
If i recall correctly british gas were elecsa registered.

You could as boss do a 3 week domestic course then join niceic. They would almost certainly let you join the ac scheme as limited scope just for plumbing and heating bits. If you dont have 2391 you do a online test they offer instead.
They basically want your money
Problem is I’m once were up and running I’m rarely going to be working with the guys. I’m generally out of the country for about 6 months of the year with my day job. It seems a bit of a fudge for me to be responsible for their electrical work if I’m not there. Maybe have to put them through something similar. Seems nonsense really for what little electrical works involved.
 
Pete999

Pete999

-
Esteemed
Arms
Problem is I’m once were up and running I’m rarely going to be working with the guys. I’m generally out of the country for about 6 months of the year with my day job. It seems a bit of a fudge for me to be responsible for their electrical work if I’m not there. Maybe have to put them through something similar. Seems nonsense really for what little electrical works involved.
I think you are correct, also you need to get them trained up on "safe isolation" procedures, with the appropriate PPE etc, you probably have that factored in any way.
 
C

Cbuk2k2

-
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #53
I think you are correct, also you need to get them trained up on "safe isolation" procedures, with the appropriate PPE etc, you probably have that factored in any way.
I think the route I've chosen is:

1) Honeywell controls training - 1 day - £45
2) NICEIC safe isolation training - 1 day - £170
3) ACS gas training
4) In house training
 
Midwest

Midwest

-
Esteemed
Arms
I'm semi retired now. Stopped doing electrics, doing some maintenance now. This week, did a 3 day NVQ course in swimming pool management. The next day went to do a chlorine test, and couldn't remember how to do it! :rolleyes:

If your guys aren't doing this work regularly, they'll forgot most things. As already said, get someone on the team that already has the qualification's/experience or find a sparks who'll subbie for you.
 
C

Cbuk2k2

-
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #55
I'm semi retired now. Stopped doing electrics, doing some maintenance now. This week, did a 3 day NVQ course in swimming pool management. The next day went to do a chlorine test, and couldn't remember how to do it! :rolleyes:

If your guys aren't doing this work regularly, they'll forgot most things. As already said, get someone on the team that already has the qualification's/experience or find a sparks who'll subbie for you.
They will be fault finding on LV and ELV systems daily, E & I is a fair portion of heating work. Its just not practical to call an electircan to babysit them, as previously said I'm happy to pay for a spark to complete notifiable work (fused spurs, new circuits etc) but want some solution to competence which I think I've now found.
 
oracle

oracle

-
Esteemed
Arms
I was once asked for help by an HVAC engineer. He had designed and installed a huge air conditioning system for a shopping mall.

He described how he couldn’t get his system working although he’d spent a week checking every circuit against on his installation.

I looked at the main unit, the size of a small room, and said Okay, before we go through your drawings let’s start with your supply and work from there. This was a 16mm three phase neutral and earth and I immediately found voltages line to line and line to earth, but no neutral.

I asked him where the cable came from and he took me to a big DB in the basement where I located and the unconnected neutral. We went back to his machine and all the panel lights and meters were lit up.

He pressed the start button and it started up and ran. It was a simple fault to find and rectify but that HVAC engineer, with all his training and experience was out of his depth.

This is what the guys are saying to you, you will need someone who can assess the suitability of the installation to supply your valves, solenoids and controllers, fault-find and certify the work on completion.
 
C

Cbuk2k2

-
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #57
I was once asked for help by an HVAC engineer. He had designed and installed a huge air conditioning system for a shopping mall.

He described how he couldn’t get his system working although he’d spent a week checking every circuit against on his installation.

I looked at the main unit, the size of a small room, and said Okay, before we go through your drawings let’s start with your supply and work from there. This was a 16mm three phase neutral and earth and I immediately found voltages line to line and line to earth, but no neutral.

I asked him where the cable came from and he took me to a big DB in the basement where I located and the unconnected neutral. We went back to his machine and all the panel lights and meters were lit up.

He pressed the start button and it started up and ran. It was a simple fault to find and rectify but that HVAC engineer, with all his training and experience was out of his depth.

This is what the guys are saying to you, you will need someone who can assess the suitability of the installation to supply your valves, solenoids and controllers, fault-find and certify the work on completion.
I think you're rather over estimating the complexity of a domestic heating system.

I'm fairly happy I could teach your average spaniel to fault find/repair them.

I'm not exactly new to this stuff, just the fairly bizarre quagmire of legislation you domestic guys have got yourself into.
 
Last edited:
oracle

oracle

-
Esteemed
Arms
I think you're rather over estimating the complexity of a domestic heating system.

I'm fairly happy I could teach your average spaniel to fault find/repair them. I'm not exactly new to this stuff, just the fairly bizarre world quagmire of legislation you domestic guys have got yourself into.
Okay if you want an example of domestic heating, I was renting a flat in Luton when my boiler failed. Called a plumber who came, looked at it and said “Don’t know that model, pay me for the call out and I’ll go”

Showed him a set of drawings above the boiler and he looked at them and poked about a bit then said “Valve x isn’t switching on, you need an electrician “

“Lucky you, I am one, show me the valve” He did and I showed him it was getting voltage and the valve itself was faulty.

Are we seeing a pattern here yet? Perhaps he was your spaniel in question.
 
oracle

oracle

-
Esteemed
Arms
The reason the electrical trade is in a mess is because everyone now wants the shortest, cheapest and easiest way to do electrical work and aren’t interested in proper training
 
D

Dustydazzler

-
Esteemed
Arms
Wasn't this exactly what the domestic installer route was supposed to clear up this thou ?

It was aimed at getting plumbers and hvac guys up to speed with basic wiring etc so that they could install showers and new circuits into peoples homes without having to employ a full time electrician
 

Reply to Electrical competence in the Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Top Bottom