Is this the end of 6 week wonders? New Domestic Gold Card Apprenticeship announced

[IAmSparkytus!]

There are none.

Thought you had to be Part P registered or NICEIC approved contractor etc.?

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Thought you had to be Part P registered or NICEIC approved contractor etc.?

It's easier/cheaper for someone on a scheme to notify any notifiable work. Doesn't mean those not on a scheme can't do it though, there are other ways, plus not all domestic work is notifiable.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

It's easier/cheaper for someone on a scheme to notify any notifiable work. Doesn't mean those not on a scheme can't do it though, there are other ways, plus not all domestic work is notifiable.

So basically, anyone can do electrical work and we just need to hope that those doing it know what they're doing and that's the best we can hope for?

 

[Electrics]

So basically, anyone can do electrical work and we just need to hope that those doing it know what they're doing and that's the best we can hope for?

Exactly.

The only thing stopping anyone doing any domestic work they want is that some of it should be notified to building control and often the customer will expect the electrician to do it via certifying the installation after the work is complete.

If you do electrical work without doing this the homeowner has to do it.

Currently, there's nothing to stop anybody from doing any domestic electrical work.

 

[ipf]

There will be a few people on facebook etc who buy a nice card printer and sell perfect copies of these Gold cards for £80 .

Blimey!...that's an hour's work charge for some.......or £20 short of a call out charge.

 

[ipf]

Currently, there's nothing to stop anybody from doing any domestic electrical work.

Except ethics.....but that thought went down the pan for many, ages back.

 

[Electrics]

Except ethics.....but that thought went down the pan for many, ages back.

I would guess people who feel confident and competent to do the work wouldn't have a problem with ethics since they probably don't think they're doing anything wrong.

That said i find people to be much more ---- online about all the stuff we talk about on here compared with real life where most people really don't care.

 

[ipf]

I would guess people who feel confident and competent to do the work wouldn't have a problem with ethics since they probably don't think they're doing anything wrong.

That said i find people to be much more ---- online about all the stuff we talk about on here compared with real life where most people really don't care.

A better way of putting it,
If they get what they pay for, OK....if they don't, they've no idea anyway, so who gives a t0$$.

Some of us are still ethical, by the way.
Plenty, in a position to be, ARE NOT.

 

[Electrics]

A better way of putting it,
If they get what they pay for, OK....if they don't, they've no idea anyway, so who gives a t0$$.

Some of us are still ethical, by the way.
Plenty in a position to be ARE NOT.

Depends how you define ethical though.

I wouldn't say carrying out a CU change for example with zero qualifications is 'unethical' if you know you can do the job safely. Some would.

 

[ipf]

Depends how you define ethical though.

I wouldn't say carrying out a CU change for example with zero qualifications is 'unethical' if you know you can do the job safely. Some would.

My point's made.
Keep picking, if you you've got an itch, essex.

 

[Electrics]

tMy point's made.
Keep picking, if you you've got an itch, essex.

Doing the same job as someone who has paperwork, just without paperwork, isn't unethical. Real ethics have little to do with arbitrary regulations made up by men. I don't consider people like Edison or Franklin to be charlatans because they lacked formal education. I wouldn't consider it unethical for Franklin to teach electrical engineering to somebody because he didn't have the formal education of others. If you do, crack on mate.

No idea what your Essex comment is about.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Those carrying out work in their own properties are entitled to do so....

Those going round telling folk they're competent at this, that and't other....but then not carrying out works to the required standards whilst charging for it need exposing and dealing with...
Part P is a building reg....scheme membership is an ACCREDITATION....not a qualification....
So, anyone going round claiming they're "Part P qualified" needs treating with suspicion...

This does not necessarily include Kev kitchen, Barry bathroom fitter, Bobby builder and Fred the floor layer etc etc...

 

[Electrics]

Those carrying out work in their own properties are entitled to do so....

Those going round telling folk they're competent at this, that and't other....but then not carrying out works to the required standards whilst charging for it need exposing and dealing with...
Part P is a building reg....scheme membership is an ACCREDITATION....not a qualification....
So, anyone going round claiming they're "Part P qualified" needs treating with suspicion...

This does not necessarily include Kev kitchen, Barry bathroom fitter, Bobby builder and Fred the floor layer etc etc...

There's no such thing as 'part p qualified' as far as i know.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

There's no such thing as 'part p qualified' as far as i know.

But you hear of people going round claiming they're "part P qualified".....I've heard it several times from customers...
"Oh, he said he was part P qualified"

?

 

[Electrics]

But you hear of people going round claiming they're "part P qualified".....I've heard it several times from customers...
"Oh, he said he was part P qualified"

?

Part P is just a building regulation.

 

[LukeD]

Part P is just a building regulation.

This sums the whole mess the industry is in and the false sense of security the public face

 

[loz2754]

Part P is just a building regulation.

But you can take a course in building regulations for domestic properties, including Part P, and a city and guilds exam which results in you receiving a certificate C&G 2393-10.

In much the same way as you can take the 2382 and receive a certificate, showing that you are versed in BS7671:2018:2021.

Both of which are among the courses offered by the private training facilities.

None of which mean diddly squat of course, without the rest of the courses and the on the job experience needed to become a competent electrician.

The idea that a person can become an electrician in a few weeks has been allowed to fester and prosper, instead of being squashed flat by the powers that be, as it should have been from the start. Now we're seeing the effects of this watering down of our industry.

I'm not against the new 3 year domestic apprenticeship, I just think it will make very little difference in terms of improving the standards and raising the bar.

 

[loz2754]

Those carrying out work in their own properties are entitled to do so....

Yes they are. As long as they take on the responsibility for notifying any notifiable works that they choose to do. Otherwise they'll be breaking the law.
And because of the general lack of knowledge and understanding of the whole ridiculous Part P scheme, they'll probably have no idea that they're breaking the law.