Part P Logo

[BigSi]

My mate has decided to start doing small electrical works in his spare time (works for an agency during the week). He doesn’t think it is cost effective yet to join a competent person scheme, so any jobs that come under that would be registered through the local building control.

On his paperwork it states that all works, where applicable, include the Part P registration fee (he just adds the fee to the total amount). I know there is a Part P logo (below), so would he be able to use that logo on his paperwork? It seems to be the logo relating to Part P of the building regulations, of which he is complying with, and not a competent persons scheme logo?

 

[Amp David]

Has he checked the LABC prices for notification yet?

MY LABC want nearly 300 quid per job that is notifiable. At this price, its impossible to do any work and be competitive on price

Not 100% sure about using the logo, but would have thought you can only use it if you are registered with a part p sheme.

 

[BigSi]

Yes, he has a price list from the LABC. I think he said that for any job below £1000, it would cost £60 to register. He wouldn’t need a site visit, as he is a JIB Approved Electrician (they would just need a copy of his certificates).

From what I can see, the logo is adapted from the front cover of Approved Document P from the Building Regulations, so doesn’t relate to any competent person scheme. If he complies with the Part P document, and logs all relevant jobs with the LABC, then in theory he should be able to use the logo.

 

[garyinderby]

Wondering if copyright laws would be contravened? as it is a copy of someone elses work?

 

[BigSi]

Not from what I can gather, as there are a lot of company websites out there using the same logo.

 

[garyinderby]

thing is these logos can be used with the permission of the owner. For a fee usually.

 

[acat]

Must say I dont particulary like the logo a quick glimse and you are giving the impression you have just passed your driving test




Chris

 

[BigSi]

WHAT!!! You mean I have to pass a test to drive!

 

[flukey]

i would confirm your labc prices with them first as they seem very reasonable and also find is strange that they dont want to confirm compliance with the regs via a site visit

as for the logo, i dont know of anyone using it that isnt registered on a scheme and think your mate couldnt be competitive in the current climate by loading his prices with labc charges

i also know a few JIB registered sparks that dont know or understand part P and its requirements as they work mainly in commercial/industrial

 

[BigSi]

i would confirm your labc prices with them first as they seem very reasonable and also find is strange that they dont want to confirm compliance with the regs via a site visit

Sorry just looked at my copy of the fees. The LABC fee is £63.25 for works under £1000. and that was emailed to me by the LABC some time last year (can't imagine they have changed much).

Regarding the site visit. I did two private jobs last year that came under Part P. And the LABC said that it was fine to send them a copy of my qualifications along with the fee, no site visit needed.

 

[flukey]

if thats for a building notice then thats very good value for money, think my labc start at £120 for electrical works, from memory.

the fact that your LABC arent policing works carried out on their patch is another example of part P at its finest

not sure why i pay my annual fees and have annual assesments might have to think long and hard about this years plans

 

[nervouselk]

I just checked on LABC in rotherham and the following is a quote from one of the downloaded pdf

"To comply with Part P, you must either – (i) use an electrician who is registered with a Competent Person’s scheme (ask your electrician for details), in which case a Building Regulations application will not be required for the electrical work; or, (ii) use an electrician who is registered with a recognised trade body such as NCEIC, ECA & NAPIT, etc.., and who will issue a ‘design, installation and test’ certificate under
BS 7671 – Building Control will then accept this as evidence of compliance but may also carry out additional inspections for verification. Please Telephone 01709 823846/7 if further assistance is required"

Hope this helps anyone

 

[flukey]

just read my labc rules and it would appear prices have come down still even at them prices it would be hard to stay competitive in todays market.

How to get Building Regulation approval:

• If the work is carried out by a "registered installer" (see below), they will certify that it complies with Building Regulations and notify the Council, you will not have to approach the Council yourself. There is no fee to the Council if you choose to use a "registered installer".

• If you do not use a "registered installer" you must obtain approval for the work.

• You can choose to use a competent electrician who is not a "registered installer" but who does have all the necessary training and experience to carry out the work. If such a person can demonstrate their competence to the Council's Building Control Service then they will be granted Building Regulation approval from the Council for work carried out on your behalf. However, if you choose to use such an accepted competent electrician then a fee of £58.75 (inc VAT) will be charged by the Council.

• If you feel experienced enough, you can carry out the work yourself but do not cover any work up before you have made a Building Control application or before the Council's inspectors give their approval or the work will not be accepted. Be warned,if you choose to do the work yourself then a fee of between £117.50 and £293.00 (inc VAT) will be charged by the Council depending on scope of the work.

A fee will be charged by the Council.
The fee charged will vary according to the route you choose:

• Using a registered installer - no fee to council
• Using a accepted competent electrician £ 58.75 (inc VAT)
• DIY or not using an accepted competent electrician between £117.50 and £293.00 (inc VAT) depending on scope of the work.

Costs are approximate at present and will be confirmed in January

 

[nervouselk]

Yet another pdf extract
Table of Notifiable Work

 

[Jason Smith]

A lot of my jobs take less than two hours, I would not possibly be able to charge an additional £60, or therabouts, and as I run at probably two of these small jobs a week, which would be £120 a week to the councill, or over £6000per year, and of course the huge fees they would require for the big jobs, re wires etc, Then obviously My £430 NICEIC fee per annum allows me to be competitive !! You lot must be charging the same ish as me, a minimum of £50 a job, ten minutes or up to two hours. If the customers were likely to pay almost double my fee, then in any case, I would of got the calculator out and seen how much money I wasting to the Councill !
I did start out on a part time basis, which is the flavour of the original thread to avoid what seems a heavy fee to pay for registration, but within a month I was doing a re-wire, the part time job went and I was slung head on into full time !!- never looked back.

 

[BigSi]

"To comply with Part P, you must either – (i) use an electrician who is registered with a Competent Person’s scheme (ask your electrician for details), in which case a Building Regulations application will not be required for the electrical work; or, (ii) use an electrician who is registered with a recognised trade body such as NCEIC, ECA & NAPIT, etc.., and who will issue a ‘design, installation and test’ certificate under"

So if your an electrician who isn't registered with a CPS (i), or registered with a trade body (ii), you can't comply with Part P?

 

[nervouselk]

Dont shoot the messenger iam just quoting from from a pdf from the LABC. But if youlook at my other post you will see a list of notifiable and none notifiable work. Just depends what actual work is being done i suppose.

 

[flukey]

dont forget that by being registered you can also offer a 6 year guarantee on your works and this is normally a deal clincher when submitting quotes and wins me 90% of my work

 

[nervouselk]

I was working for someone but thinking of going on my own.
I didn't know you got the guarantee through being registered, thought this was through your own insurance.

Shows what i thought i new

 

[flukey]

all the schemes offer it when notifying work.
im with NIC and it only costs £1.50 per job. BARGAIN