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Rogue Traders are the Norm over here... The only difference is, there dead cheap!! lol!!
I spent 18 months in China. Rogue Traders???
The man who came around to fix the air conditioner mended it with a ping pong ball and old glove he found lying around.
I miss China for the craziness. There is no health and safety there.:76:
The thing is it's hard to get registered. I can't get work because I'm not registered and I can't register because I can't get the work to show an inspector. Catch 22Always the same they show these programs and i still find people still use unregistered tradesman !
I think the first guy with the cooker switch was texting the forum from his phone to see what to do lol...
Do the bbc have something against electricians,corr blimey,if its not rogue traders there is another show which is on around 11am,caught it yesterday the bbc bloke sets people up and stings them for £300 by showing the homeowner a chewed up piece of cable(that he done) and bits of fake mouse poops,thanks bbc,people are gonna think that we are all trying to rip them off.why dont they pick on someone that everyone hates ie traffic wardens.
It`l be purvs masquerading as sparks rummeging around in knicker draws n stuff....might see someone i know...lol....:drool5:I'm not quite sure what it's about yet but it looks like we have a rogue sparks on tonights Rogue Traders/Watchdog. Could be interesting.
The thing is it's hard to get registered. I can't get work because I'm not registered and I can't register because I can't get the work to show an inspector. Catch 22
Nic want 5 jobs before they'll give me approved contractor status
I'm offering myself to local builders and estate agents for three tenths of bugger all just as long as the'll let me show the work to an inspector.I do think if people have those problems there should be a facillity to go to a scheme ops site and spend a day or so in a purpose built unit to prove comp
All very well but this unit would have to simulate problems encountered on site such as the borrowed neutral and awquard access etc....I do think if people have those problems there should be a facillity to go to a scheme ops site and spend a day or so in a purpose built unit to prove comp
The thing is it's hard to get registered. I can't get work because I'm not registered and I can't register because I can't get the work to show an inspector. Catch 22
Nic want 5 jobs before they'll give me approved contractor status
All very well but this unit would have to simulate problems encountered on site such as the borrowed neutral and awquard access etc....
Agreed Kung and i think its a good idea in principle.....Quite right and im sure if it was rightly purpose built it should take into account most cases !
You dont have to be with the niceic,you could choose many others,im with elecsa,only took him to a cu change,once they see you know your stuff thats it,the niceic are not helpful and need to realise some people need a foot on the ladder,this is why i went to elecsa,perhaps you could do a cu change any other part p notifiable works for friends/neighbours or family for a discounted rate to get up and running.you can tell labc before job commences and then once you get registered yourself dont need to speak to them anymore.
It still costs an arm and a leg to get it past LABC then you have the NIC fees so that CU change could end up costing the thick end of £800 because LABC where I am are very very strict and NIC say they want it certified legally when they come to see it so I can't see any short cuts. Sorry if I sound all whiny and poor me but I'm struggling to see how I can do thisI'M sorry but i disagree with the NICEIC are not helpful, i'm in the NIC and the ECA (the ECA own ELECSA)
and not only find the NICEIC very helpful but also help me win alot of work. For example when the part P
came out, not once have i been asked if i was part P, but asked if i was NIC instead, as the consumer knows of the NICEIC alot more than any of the others, hence members of the others being on a back foot straight away having to explain they are Part P but not NICEIC.
It makes me laugh because the niceic is no harder to be a member as elecsa or napit and is the same price for domestic installer, dont get me wrong i wish it was harder as it would have even more prestige about it.
And as the other guy says about catch 22, its easy like robsparky says do a cu for a friend/family test it correctly with the correct paper work, then put an outside socket at your own house as a second job makin sure both jobs are done to the current bs7671 and heypresto you could be signed up with the NICEIC lol.
It was Watchdog - about an hour ago. Daz
Meanwhile old Tommy the guy at the pub who "knows what he's doing"....
No trev because what you can do is do the board change (or any other notifyable work) for the assessment then when the part p provider inspector comes to look at the work/install and then if he ok`s it and you are invited onto the scheme....you just notify that work through them therby cutting out the LABC altogether......save your wallet that will......It still costs an arm and a leg to get it past LABC then you have the NIC fees so that CU change could end up costing the thick end of £800 because LABC where I am are very very strict and NIC say they want it certified legally when they come to see it so I can't see any short cuts. Sorry if I sound all whiny and poor me but I'm struggling to see how I can do this
Well ok....elecs see it like that so i may have to eat some humble pie here...lol....but i dont see why they wouldn`t accept that. If not then its a poor do now isn`t it....No trev because what you can do is do the board change (or any other notifyable work) for the assessment then when the part p provider inspector comes to look at the work/install and then if he ok`s it and you are invited onto the scheme....you just notify that work through them therby cutting out the LABC altogether......save your wallet that will......
Exactly!if the electrical system aint up to regs ... mr Smith
gets his brother who know electrics to do it and make us look bad for trying to rip them of.
SB your right that the niceic are more well known.every firm ive ever worked for have been with them,the trouble is that when someone wants to start up on there own they make it difficult as in you have to be trading for 12 months and show them work,so i can understand where the catch 22 comes from.For me to get on a scheme elecsa was a means to an end,i needed a scheme and after 1 month of self employment was signed up with elecsa,so i know how trev1 feels,frustrated probably,and if i was trev1 i would give niceic or elecsa a call see how they can help get signed up.
Theres a lot of folk about though who think there getting a bargain when someone who "who knew electrics" comes round....thing is though there so ignorant of just about everything were bound by....safe zones, disconnection times, cable sizes, correct termination etc...the list goes on .....my boss and i see examples of this crap nearly every day and as money gets tighter....i am sure we will all be seeing a lot more of it...........Exactly!
Well ok....elecs see it like that so i may have to eat some humble pie here...lol....but i dont see why they wouldn`t accept that. If not then its a poor do now isn`t it....
I do understand it can be hard to start up and could argue till i'm blue in the
face about the benifits of being in the NICEIC.
Unfortunatley throughout the trade elecsa is seemed to be the underdog and
for electricians that aint good inof to get in the nic, now i know saying that
aint going to make me popular but it's the thoughts of alot of sparky's i'm
affraid.
After trudging about in em all day?...lol......I'm not a kitchen fitter, that's why I'll never pay the NIC to be classed as one! When they drop the extra £400 for approved contractor status I might spend a micro second thinking about it, but until then, the NIC can eat my shoes!
I'm not a kitchen fitter, that's why I'll never pay the NIC to be classed as one! When they drop the extra £400 for approved contractor status I might spend a micro second thinking about it, but until then, the NIC can eat my shoes!
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