Additions or alterations

[davesparks]

Is RCD protection required now? Have you carried out a risk assessment?
Where is it located and what is it normally used for?
Could you justify it as a deviation?
In what is presumably a building full of RCD sockets what realistic improvement would adding RCD protection to one socket provide?

 

[happysteve]

Socket on wall, surface mounted, wired in singles, in trunking. No rcd protection. Socket is being moved onto adjacent wall, which means cables will be shortened (no extension required). That's all. No extra socket on the circuit, no new cabling). None of the sockets currently have rcd protection. I was asked why rcd protection was required now. I wanted to justify my reasoning

How about, "The work involved is an alteration to the installation. Regulation 610.4 states... [blah]. The Regulations currently require that socket-outlets [circumstances] shall be protected by and RCD, as stated in regulation ---.YY.Z [blah]"

Edit: assuming, of course, that the socket-outlet does need RCD protection (as per other posts).

 

[Andy78]

Is RCD protection required now? Have you carried out a risk assessment?
Where is it located and what is it normally used for?
Could you justify it as a deviation?
In what is presumably a building full of RCD sockets what realistic improvement would adding RCD protection to one socket provide?

You must know that trying to apply common sense in a debate about compliance with the regulations is hardly relevant ?

 

[davesparks]

You must know that trying to apply common sense in a debate about compliance with the regulations is hardly relevant ?

Oh yes, it's rarely relevant around here either.

But lighting the blue touch paper and running away is my speciality!

 

[Andy78]

Oh yes, it's rarely relevant around here either.

But lighting the blue touch paper and running away is my speciality!

I feel this is somehow relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJ5PgUx0Zg

 

[atm84]

Then you have been given the answer multiple times with reference to the regulations. What method of compliance with 411.3.3 are you proposing to apply to this alteration ?

Please can you elaborate

 

[atm84]

Is RCD protection required now? Have you carried out a risk assessment?
Where is it located and what is it normally used for?
Could you justify it as a deviation?
In what is presumably a building full of RCD sockets what realistic improvement would adding RCD protection to one socket provide?

The building does not have any sockets protected by rcd

 

[davesparks]

I feel this is somehow relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJ5PgUx0Zg

I love it!

 

[Toonlad]

Of course you have altered the characteristic of the circuit,by cutting it down in length, although the test results may not show any difference, as it maybe a foot of cable, so it will be negligible, to show on your meter.

However we must assess,the requirements of the intended use,and apply the regulations.I personally would add a rcbo if possible.not seeing the job I can only second guess at this point.

To be fair this sort of thing is bread and butter to any spark worth his salt, simple belt n braces approach and you never go far wrong.
If the client don't like your safe compliant approach for a single socket I wouldn't get to excited if he says no to the job.

 

[Toonlad]

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...orum/107727-moving-socket-rcd-protection.html

your having my life here, same question 3 hrs ago.

 

[Andy78]

Please can you elaborate

Not really. Not without getting my crayons out or resorting to HappySteve's suggestion of a flowchart.

 

[GMES]

Atm you have 2 threads running with the same question, they are both being closed until you pm me or another member of staffand decide which you want to keep going.
Thread closed.