Tools Robbed! Liverpool

[Electreacle]

Hi, does anyone have any tools or drills for sale? Had all my kit robbed Saturday early hours 2k worth of kit! Drills, testers, tools, took the whole lot! I’m in Liverpool area.

 

[LukeD]

Facebook Market page or a big local car boot is where they will be .

 

[Dustydazzler]

Sorry to hear you got all your gear robbed , lowest of the low that steal another persons work tools

As LukeD says they will almost always turn up sooner or later on facebook, ebay or at a bootfair so keep a look out

 

[LukeD]

For anyone who does not usually look at tools on Facebook . Try it !! And then look at the other items the seller has . YOu will see a advert for a nice Dewalt drill set .All boxed and looks cheap. Then you go into the sellers profile , This alone starts to show you the types involved etc . And many have 60 + listing for amazing levels of tools . 10-20 Hilti pieces , multiple Chops saw, track saw, all different Trades , FLUKE , Festool etc the lot . facebook are NOT interested

 

[LukeD]

Here is one near me .A few weeks ago I went to Feltham . Now Feltham is 10 x more tools

 

[mattg4321]

The police really are a joke in this country now. They were set up to prevent crime, now you’re lucky if they even respond to one after the event.

They should be disbanded and a new force set up with the aim of actively preventing crime. Visible presence on the streets and no rainbow kneeler types allowed

 

[DPG]

The police really are a joke in this country now. They were set up to prevent crime, now you’re lucky if they even respond to one after the event.

They should be disbanded and a new force set up with the aim of actively preventing crime. Visible presence on the streets and no rainbow kneeler types allowed

Having a family member in the force for a few years now has really opened my eyes to what they do. You would be surprised. Don't believe all rubbish that is spread about what they do or don’t do. Some of the stuff they deal with every day is scary.

They can't win really - people want to see coppers walking the beat, but they also want them at crime scenes within minutes. Well they need to be in cars for that to happen.

Obviously there isn't enough of them to visit after every crime unfortunately.

 

[LukeD]

Having a family member in the force for a few years now has really opened my eyes to what they do. You would be surprised. Don't believe all rubbish that is spread about what they do or don’t do. Some of the stuff they deal with every day is scary.

They can't win really - people want to see coppers walking the beat, but they also want them at crime scenes within minutes. Well they need to be in cars for that to happen.

Obviously there isn't enough of them to visit after every crime unfortunately.

There most certainly are if you are a member of society or party of the "Diversity Squadron" ! .But you are right ,The average cop is on a hiding to nothing .Not just because their system fails them .But also due to the quality of recruits is now at a all time low .

 

[mattg4321]

Having a family member in the force for a few years now has really opened my eyes to what they do. You would be surprised. Don't believe all rubbish that is spread about what they do or don’t do. Some of the stuff they deal with every day is scary.

They can't win really - people want to see coppers walking the beat, but they also want them at crime scenes within minutes. Well they need to be in cars for that to happen.

Obviously there isn't enough of them to visit after every crime unfortunately.

I’ve got close mates in the police and I wouldn’t do what they do. My last post wasn’t a pop at 99% of coppers who are decent people and just as frustrated with the crappy system as we are.

My point stands that the modern way of policing in the country is a total failure.

 

[Mike Johnson]

The "Gendarmerie" in France is part of the Army, local "Police" are just that, both armed !!!!!

 

[Megawatt]

Hi, does anyone have any tools or drills for sale? Had all my kit robbed Saturday early hours 2k worth of kit! Drills, testers, tools, took the whole lot! I’m in Liverpool area.

Sorry to hear about your tools getting stolen. We need them to make a living for our families. I hate a thief

 

[Welchyboy1]

That video is unbelievable!
No doubt a similar place to where mine have ended up. Twice now I’ve been done
First time the police turned up a week after to take a statement

second time I didn’t even bother to report it

the situation is out of control!

I won’t park my van out of sight of the place I’m working in now

my friend a carpenter got done a month or so back, 11am in Homebase car park in Romford
they use a battery angle grinder an cut an 8in square hole in the side of his van to get in

literally don’t care, 2k just to replace the door, 5k for his tools plus lost work!

 

[marconi]

Things are bad around were I live. Woe betide anyone with a range rover, bmw, mercedes or audi parked on their front front without any extra security. And my bother in law had his brand new Ford Transit van pinched from a B&Q car park last week. Had to smile though while walking the dog. Like most places I guess builders are busy doing works on folks homes and they have a variety of smart to beaten up vans. One with the latter had a sign on the back door - 'No biscuits are left in this van overnight'.

 

[DPG]

The trouble is all the thieving scrotes have all had kids who are thieving scrotes etc etc and so it gets worse and worse as time goes on.

And the judges keep giving suspended sentences to them despite them having previous convictions for similar offences. So they are back on the streets to do it again. And thr criminals know this will happen. It's the judicial system that needs reform, and we need less do-gooders. Then when the police arrest people they would end up in prison where they belong.

 

[UNG]

The problem is a prison sentence now is not perceived to be the deterent it needs to be and is more like a stay at an all inclusive holiday camp while the victim struggles to get back to where they where before the crime was committed against them.
The issue that needs addressing are the laws that give the perpetrator of the crime certain standards and rights that they did not allow the victim, the do gooders have a lot to answer for with their support for the wrong side IMO while the victim is left with little or nothing

 

[Mike Johnson]

John Major brought in a reform that any Foreign national caught for the second time would be repatriated to their home country, trouble is the do gooders out there fought it down as against human right for asylum seekers, not to say that all scrotes are foreign.

 

[LukeD]

The biggest issue we face is the "You know who " are now a "protected race " or some other silly thing. THEY funded to the tune of hundreds of thousands to be "Joined at the hip" with Romanian Gypsies and the courts fell for it . Its their get out of jail card . Another reason we are becoming a "pathetic nation" . I was told that Local Council heads and even Police chiefs have been told there Homes are "known" And these "people "will take matters into their own hands if the council or police "annoy them"

 

[mainline]

The problem is a prison sentence now is not perceived to be the deterent it needs to be and is more like a stay at an all inclusive holiday camp while the victim struggles to get back to where they where before the crime was committed against them.
The issue that needs addressing are the laws that give the perpetrator of the crime certain standards and rights that they did not allow the victim, the do gooders have a lot to answer for with their support for the wrong side IMO while the victim is left with little or nothing

I don't agree that prison is like a holiday camp, in fact a prison sentence for some families can have a devastating lifelong consequence.

Without know the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution.

 

[pirate]

To steal a person's tools is just appalling, costing them loads of money and lost work, and effectively threatening their livelihood.
It's a mean crime, as are many of course, but it seems to be on the increase and not much is or can be done about it.
The video posted above by @LukeD is shocking...I didn't realise just how blatant this selling-on had become. I can just understand someone in desperate need pinching a couple of things, but the size of those tool displays shows just how big the business is.
To lighten the tone, here is a pic i took earlier this year in my village:

 

[DPG]

The biggest issue we face is the "You know who " are now a "protected race " or some other silly thing. THEY funded to the tune of hundreds of thousands to be "Joined at the hip" with Romanian Gypsies and the courts fell for it . Its their get out of jail card . Another reason we are becoming a "pathetic nation" . I was told that Local Council heads and even Police chiefs have been told there Homes are "known" And these "people "will take matters into their own hands if the council or police "annoy them"

There are plenty of home grown thieving scum as well.

 

[UNG]

I don't agree that prison is like a holiday camp, in fact a prison sentence for some families can have a devastating lifelong consequence.

That comment really sums what is actually wrong in today's society by turning it around so that the criminals are the victims while the crime can leave the real victims and / or their families in a devastating state they never envisaged before the crime

Without know the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution.

How many criminals ever look at the circumstances of their victim before committing the crime, it is all to easy to look for and make excuses for why the crime was committed and the personal circumstances but it does not and should not detract from them serving the appropriate sentence for the crime
We need to bring in a real deterent soon otherwise it could turn nasty when the public withdraw their consent for the current policing system

 

[DPG]

That comment really sums what is actually wrong in today's society by turning it around so that the criminals are the victims while the crime can leave the real victims and / or their families in a devastating state they never envisaged before the crime

How many criminals ever look at the circumstances of their victim before committing the crime, it is all to easy to look for and make excuses for why the crime was committed and the personal circumstances but it does not and should not detract from them serving the appropriate sentence for the crime
We need to bring in a real deterent soon otherwise it could turn nasty when the public withdraw their consent for the current policing system

No point withdrawing consent from the policing system - it's the judicial system that's at fault. The police arrest them, the defence lawyers plead that they had a bad upbringing, the judge gives them a short or suspended sentence. Then they are back on the street and the cycle repeats.

A lot of these criminals have 20+ previous convictions. All of which are a result of the police catching them.

 

[LukeD]

There are plenty of home grown thieving scum as well.

Yes.But in regards to organised tool theft.These lot are Gold medal winners. Also some days it looks like entire retailers have been robbed by them. when you see 80 brand new fully labelled OX hammers, 100x stanley chisel sets . Cutters and drill bits all fully "retailed " .Now this can be on ONE stall only . so once you see 20 of these stall all with brand new fully unopened items all of the same brand and models EVER week. There has to be a trail to where they are coming from . The market owners are too scared to stop them. The police and council too scared . They trade on fear and are allowed a "freedom pass"

 

[mainline]

UNG said:
The problem is a prison sentence now is not perceived to be the deterent it needs to be and is more like a stay at an all inclusive holiday camp

I don't agree that prison is like a holiday camp, in fact a prison sentence for some families can have a devastating lifelong consequence.

UNG said:
That comment really sums what is actually wrong in today's society by turning it around so that the criminals are the victims while the crime can leave the real victims and / or their families in a devastating state they never envisaged before the crime


You make a sweeping statement that prisons are like holiday camps, and obviously have no real idea what they are like or how, especially young offenders or people with mental health problems, are treated.

Without know the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution.

How many criminals ever look at the circumstances of their victim before committing the crime, it is all to easy to look for and make excuses for why the crime was committed and the personal circumstances but it does not and should not detract from them serving the appropriate sentence for the crime
We need to bring in a real deterent soon otherwise it could turn nasty when the public withdraw their consent for the current policing system

That's what the justice system is for, to deem an appropriate sentence based on the circumstances.
And pray tell what you would deem a deterrent sentence for say two 18yr olds, one who has a record as long as your arm and the other who has no record at all but has just gone along with his mate ?.

 

[mainline]

Yes.But in regards to organised tool theft.These lot are Gold medal winners. Also some days it looks like entire retailers have been robbed by them. when you see 80 brand new fully labelled OX hammers, 100x stanley chisel sets . Cutters and drill bits all fully "retailed " .Now this can be on ONE stall only . so once you see 20 of these stall all with brand new fully unopened items all of the same brand and models EVER week. There has to be a trail to where they are coming from . The market owners are too scared to stop them. The police and council too scared . They trade on fear and are allowed a "freedom pass"

Organised crime is a different ball game as far as sentencing is concerned.

 

[mainline]

UNG said:
The problem is a prison sentence now is not perceived to be the deterent it needs to be and is more like a stay at an all inclusive holiday camp

UNG said:
That comment really sums what is actually wrong in today's society by turning it around so that the criminals are the victims while the crime can leave the real victims and / or their families in a devastating state they never envisaged before the crime


You make a sweeping statement that prisons are like holiday camps, and obviously have no real idea what they are like or how, especially young offenders or people with mental health problems, are treated.



How many criminals ever look at the circumstances of their victim before committing the crime, it is all to easy to look for and make excuses for why the crime was committed and the personal circumstances but it does not and should not detract from them serving the appropriate sentence for the crime
We need to bring in a real deterent soon otherwise it could turn nasty when the public withdraw their consent for the current policing system

That's what the justice system is for, to deem an appropriate sentence based on the circumstances.
And pray tell what you would deem a deterrent sentence for say two 18yr olds, one who has a record as long as your arm and the other who has no record at all but has just gone along with his mate ?.

So you dislike and disagree, but no response to your statement of Prisons are like a holiday camp ? Or no reply as to what your deterrent would be ?.

 

[UNG]

So you dislike and disagree, but no response to your statement of Prisons are like a holiday camp ? Or no reply as to what your deterrent would be ?.

You have set out your sympathic position to crime need I say more than what I have already posted

 

[mainline]

You have set out your sympathic position to crime need I say more than what I have already posted

You seem to continue to make sweeping statements, just like you have again.

Nowhere have I said I was sympathetic, what I said was" Without knowing the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution." You disagree with my statement, so obviously you must have a solution ?

You say the cure is a deterrent sentence, but given a scenario, you obviously can't think of what one would be.

You say "Prisons are seen to be like holiday camps” but you don't reply as to why you think that is ?

All you do is press the dislike and disagree, and give no reply in defence.

I obviously don't agree with crime of any kind, but there can be victims on both sides.

 

[LukeD]

2 of my clients are Canadian and "Way beyond " Wealthy . The spend most of the week as "Volunteers " at Feltham Young offenders " Prison and have done for the last 10 years . During this time they have also worked in other LOndon Prisons. They truly believe the whole system is a mess and it wont be long before the entire system is "privatised " Just like in the states and a prisoner is seen as ONLY a "income" . Yes many see prison as a "Kudos " due to their stupidity and manipulation by gangs etc . But the system needs to really only keep dangerous people away from society .Another answer needs to be found to deal with minor offenders and to keep them away from "Prison culture" which is frightening

 

[mainline]

2 of my clients are Canadian and "Way beyond " Wealthy . The spend most of the week as "Volunteers " at Feltham Young offenders " Prison and have done for the last 10 years . During this time they have also worked in other LOndon Prisons. They truly believe the whole system is a mess and it wont be long before the entire system is "privatised " Just like in the states and a prisoner is seen as ONLY a "income" . Yes many see prison as a "Kudos " due to their stupidity and manipulation by gangs etc . But the system needs to really only keep dangerous people away from society .Another answer needs to be found to deal with minor offenders and to keep them away from "Prison culture" which is frightening

There are quite a few DCMF prisons in the UK and have been since the 1990s.

 

[LukeD]

There are quite a few DCMF prisons in the UK and have been since the 1990s.

Except UK Judges/police and wardens dont get "bonuses " for feeding the system like they do in the US . I think one you take a young person into the prison system, you stand a much higher chance of "losing them forever " . The whole issue of crime stems from deep down in society .bad families , missing fathers etc . Its very very sad

 

[mainline]

Except UK Judges/police and wardens dont get "bonuses " for feeding the system like they do in the US . I think one you take a young person into the prison system, you stand a much higher chance of "losing them forever " . The whole issue of crime stems from deep down in society .bad families , missing fathers etc . Its very very sad

Totally agree, which is why I took umbrage when someone says “Holiday camps” they have no idea at all what going to prison can mean for some people.
There is a very high number of suicides in prisons every year, I wonder how many there are in holiday camps ?.

 

[nicebutdim]

While it's certainly the case that many people will find prison oppressive, and that many of these people are far from the stereotypical hardened criminal, these aren't the sort of people who go on wholesale robbing sprees and leave countless tradespeople without the tools needed to earn a living.

The sort of people who take every opportunity that presents itself, in order to enrich themselves at the expence of others, will generally find prison to be little more than a minor inconvenience. If they were forced to earn their keep in prison, with the alternative being 23.5 hour lock up, and provided nothing more than basic sustenance during their stay, they'd be much more inclined to avoid ever going to prison.

 

[littlespark]

You know what should be a crime? Overuse of inverted commas

I have to agree, it's not the police fault.... its the system in general... for all the reasons already given. Soft sentences, no real punishment.
I feel sorry for anyone that's had their tools nicked.....

But a story from when i lived in Dundee. I parked my car overnight near the city centre so i could go on the bevy.
Walked back to pick it up the next day to find a door window smashed. And my old leather jacket that was in the car on the ground a few feet away. A few cassettes were missing from the glovebox. (Yes, it was that long ago!)

What they didn't take.... and what the old leather jacket was covering on the back seat... was my tools, works test kit. Hilti drill, some cable etc etc.

 

[mainline]

While it's certainly the case that many people will find prison oppressive, and that many of these people are far from the stereotypical hardened criminal, these aren't the sort of people who go on wholesale robbing sprees and leave countless tradespeople without the tools needed to earn a living.

The sort of people who take every opportunity that presents itself, in order to enrich themselves at the expence of others, will generally find prison to be little more than a minor inconvenience. If they were forced to earn their keep in prison, with the alternative being 23.5 hour lock up, and provided nothing more than basic sustenance during their stay, they'd be much more inclined to avoid ever going to prison.

I agree that career criminals and organised gangs are a different kettle of fish.
They also end up in the dock with different charges like conspiracy, giving the Judge a much wider sentencing range.

 

[mainline]

I don't agree that prison is like a holiday camp, in fact a prison sentence for some families can have a devastating lifelong consequence.

Without know the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution.

And what do you dislike about those statements, Mike ?

 

[OnlQQker]

I remember years back in the mess hut, a Carpenter was telling a Bricklayer how he kept a Rockweiler in the car for added security.

In which the Bricklayer replied, 'so it can put out fires can it'

 

[Mike Johnson]

And what do you dislike about those statements, Mike ?

Every thing you have said so far about this subject.

 

[mainline]

Every thing you have said so far about this subject.

Everything ? Dislike or disagree ?

These are the statements I made, can you tell me why you Dislike / Disagree


There is a very high number of suicides in prisons every year

There are quite a few DCMF prisons in the UK and have been since the 1990s.

I don't agree with crime of any kind, but there can be victims on both sides.

I agree that career criminals and organised gangs are a different kettle of fish.
They also end up in the dock with different charges like conspiracy, giving the Judge a much wider sentencing range

Without knowing the circumstances of the thief and why they do what they do, then it's difficult to easily find a solution.

Prisons are not like holiday camps.

Those statements are all factual, so I don't see how you can disagree with them.

 

[mainline]

John Major brought in a reform that any Foreign national caught for the second time would be repatriated to their home country, trouble is the do gooders out there fought it down as against human right for asylum seekers, not to say that all scrotes are foreign.

I wonder could you point me to some sort of reference to John Major doing this, as I would be interested in reading about it.
I can find no reference to it via google etc.

 

[westward10]

Back to the point of this thread @Electreacle is asking if anyone has any tools or drills for sale or maybe a donation to him.

 

[7029 dave]

I am shocked watching that vid, so many tools for sale obviously knocked off and they have the bare cheek to sell them.
The police would have a field day if they could be bothered.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I am shocked watching that vid, so many tools for sale obviously knocked off and they have the bare cheek to sell them.
The police would have a field day if they could be bothered.

Police aren't interested and to be fair unless they catch the thief red handed what do we expect them to do

Had a couple bikes nicked from my shed at my old house, reported it that very morning when I noticed the shed door had been ripped open. 2 days later a lady police officer came round to take a brief statement and basically said the chances of seeing the bikes again were effectively zero and to just put a claim in on my home insurance.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I don't know the details, but it seems Boot Fairs are a law unto themselves and the sellers do not have to prove where the items came from, something about buying from Joe down the pub comes to mind.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I don't know the details, but it seems Boot Fairs are a law unto themselves and the sellers do not have to prove where the items came from, something about buying from Joe down the pub comes to mind.

Its all cash no questions asked , the police would be wasting their time trying to prove whats is a legit seconds and what is stolen gear

 

[DPG]

I am shocked watching that vid, so many tools for sale obviously knocked off and they have the bare cheek to sell them.
The police would have a field day if they could be bothered.

It's not that they can't be bothered. It's how much manpower it would take to prove the tools were stolen and also who they were stolen from. The people selling the tools will have removed any identifying marks and gone over them with a UV lamp. Not much that can be done really unfortunately.

While ever people are willing to buy knock off tools then people will steal them and sell them.

 

[7029 dave]

It's not that they can't be bothered. It's how much manpower it would take to prove the tools were stolen and also who they were stolen from. The people selling the tools will have removed any identifying marks and gone over them with a UV lamp. Not much that can be done really unfortunately.

While ever people are willing to buy knock off tools then people will steal them and sell them.

This is true, the scale is mind boggling I've never really thought about thing is I dont think like a criminal.

 

[mainline]

It's not that they can't be bothered. It's how much manpower it would take to prove the tools were stolen and also who they were stolen from. The people selling the tools will have removed any identifying marks and gone over them with a UV lamp. Not much that can be done really unfortunately.

While ever people are willing to buy knock off tools then people will steal them and sell them.

Even if they prove them to be stolen and whom they belong to, they then have to disprove that they didn't buy them in good faith, especially if they produce a receipt for a bulk buy off Joe blogs.

Ends up a lot of manpower and time for little outcome in the vast majority of cases.

 

[nicebutdim]

One issue I do have with police response to stolen goods is the fact that forces can now sell recovered goods, with (I believe) revenue raised going into their own coffers.

I'm sure they make an effort to reunite stolen goods and their owners, but can't help wondering if initialled tools that end up in auctions had never been reported stolen or if no effort was made to return them. I want to believe it's the former.

 

[mainline]

One issue I do have with police response to stolen goods is the fact that forces can now sell recovered goods, with (I believe) revenue raised going into their own coffers.

I'm sure they make an effort to reunite stolen goods and their owners, but can't help wondering if initialled tools that end up in auctions had never been reported stolen or if no effort was made to return them. I want to believe it's the former.

They have auctions selling a massive range of items cars, houses etc from police/customs.

It boils down to not having the manpower or the motivation to be bothered with petty theft.