Can i legaly rip out the kitchen ring main and replace myself?

[mindiawl]

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me please.
Years ago I passes my city & guilds in 16[SUP]th[/SUP] edition and have re wired many properties before I passed and since i passed, but none since part P regs was introduced.
Im very competent and know exactly what im doing so there is no issue there and im not looking for advice on how to wire a kitchen or a bathroom and so on.
What I am looking for advice on is as follows please.
1 I have just bought a property for renovation and re-sell, I need to rip out the kitchen and the existing ring to the point that the 2 ends of the ring that come from the c/u still exists but capped off by 2 junction boxes. Am i aloud to do this?
2 Can I then (as the new kitchen is being installed) put in the new ring and sockets and re attach to the 2 junction boxes mentioned above?
3 Can the ring be placed in those white plastic ducting (conduits) and then running the conduits along the wall behind the base units, with runs up to the sockets behind the tiles?
4 i also intend to knock the bathroom and one bedroom all in to one room which will then be the bathroom, can i legally change the light fitting to just a normal pendant and install a pull cord switch for it myself?
5 For the rest of the house some light switches and socket back boxes and faces are cracked, can i replace them?
6 If i am aloud then do I need to inform somebody that I am doing the work?
7 Do I need to get a certificate before i sell the property? If so then how much roughly will it cost?
Thank you all in advance for your answers.

 

[StuSpiers]

legally no........

If you want it done by the book and legal it would be cheaper to employ a part-pee sparks.

Yes you will need certs including part-p if you are re-selling

If the joint boxes are in floor they now need to be maintenance free (special kind)

pendant in bathroom? Are you sure your 16th?

 

[Plonker 3]

Number of electrical jobs that need notifying that aren't= 100,000s
Number of people prosecuted for not notifying work= 0

You do the maths.

 

[richy3333]

Basically what has been said ^^^^^ - no you can't legally do the work, however,

Are you in England or Wales because Part P only applies there?

We are now on the 17th Ed, Amendment 1 of the Regs, so the issue of competency is debatable...

Will the JB's be accessible to inspection? Why not crimp the joints?

 

[Amp David]

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me please.
Years ago I passes my city & guilds in 16[SUP]th[/SUP] edition and have re wired many properties before I passed and since i passed, but none since part P regs was introduced.
Im very competent and know exactly what im doing so there is no issue there and im not looking for advice on how to wire a kitchen or a bathroom and so on.
What I am looking for advice on is as follows please.
1 I have just bought a property for renovation and re-sell, I need to rip out the kitchen and the existing ring to the point that the 2 ends of the ring that come from the c/u still exists but capped off by 2 junction boxes. Am i aloud to do this?
Nothing saying you can't rip it out as far as i'm aware.
2 Can I then (as the new kitchen is being installed) put in the new ring and sockets and re attach to the 2 junction boxes mentioned above?
You can, but you should of reall informed the LABC before hand
3 Can the ring be placed in those white plastic ducting (conduits) and then running the conduits along the wall behind the base units, with runs up to the sockets behind the tiles?
Part P has had nowt to do with how your cables are run, so aslong as it complies with regs then all is fine
4 i also intend to knock the bathroom and one bedroom all in to one room which will then be the bathroom, can i legally change the light fitting to just a normal pendant and install a pull cord switch for it myself?
If you inform LABC before had then yes
5 For the rest of the house some light switches and socket back boxes and faces are cracked, can i replace them?
Yes
6 If i am aloud then do I need to inform somebody that I am doing the work?
LABC before you start, then part with a chunk of cash
7 Do I need to get a certificate before i sell the property? If so then how much roughly will it cost?
I'm sure that once you've done all the work, you'll be testing it all anyway, (won't you??) so this will be your electrical installation cert or a couple of minor works certs. Plus your LABC will also want these so they can see all is completed properly.
Thank you all in advance for your answers.

Hope this helps

 

[mogga]

Legaly NO you would need to be partP and YES they would look for cert along with building warrant special concern about the bedroom /bathroom wall removal as unless the sockets ect are ALL more than 3mtr from bath the project could cause more bother than its worth ( would you want the mrs shaving her legs while you try n get some Kip?) I for one wouldnt want to watch as Im sure the last thing she wants to see it me scrubbing my bits n bobs
Another wee question If you have qualified to 16th you would need to update quals
Probably better getting local spark round and offer to labout to him if its money saving you want
Im sick of watching "Homes under the hammer" type programme n seeing thousands spent on paint,decoration new bathroom ect ect n sod all done to the electrics if your going to do it do it right not a covewreup job

 

[ferg]

I'm just wondering when it became Illegal to do do your own wiring?
It might be against regulations and guidelines but not, I'm sure, illegal.

 

[Guest55]

Number of electrical jobs that need notifying that aren't= 100,000s
Number of people prosecuted for not notifying work= 0

You do the maths.

Ok i will !

100,000 x 0 = 0

or

0 / 100,000 = 0

theres a pattern forming here.....
:-D

 

[Taylortwocities]

Number of electrical jobs that need notifying that aren't= 100,000s
Number of people prosecuted for not notifying work= 0

You do the maths.

Number of people who have trouble selling their houses because electrical work has been done but there is no notification of the work with the local authority = quite a lot.

I've done several installation reports just to satisfy auyers' solicitors because the vendor had done (or did) electrical works in bathroom, kitchens etc without the proper paperwork.

 

[Plonker 3]

Number of people who have trouble selling their houses because electrical work has been done but there is no notification of the work with the local authority = quite a lot.

I've done several installation reports just to satisfy auyers' solicitors because the vendor had done (or did) electrical works in bathroom, kitchens etc without the proper paperwork.

But a simple EICR seems to get round this problem, which costs anywhere between £35- 250 so the cost of doing themselves is massive even when this problem arises.

 

[richy3333]

OP - do you still have your test equipment, calibrated etc?

 

[Guest55]

Number of people who have trouble selling their houses because electrical work has been done but there is no notification of the work with the local authority = quite a lot.

I've done several installation reports just to satisfy auyers' solicitors because the vendor had done (or did) electrical works in bathroom, kitchens etc without the proper paperwork.

I bet if you ask these conyeyancing solicitors how many property sales have actually fallen through due to non -notification of electrical work the figure quoted will be around zero.

 

[richy3333]

I bet if you ask these conyeyancing solicitors how many property sales have actually fallen through due to non -notification of electrical work the figure quoted will be around zero.

Agreed, but only a numskull wouldn't use the info to haggle the price of the property down. I would. It has widening ramifications because you could then argue that if the vendor can't get the wiring correct then other utilities could be iffy also?

As an aside, I know we all hate Part P, but why do sparks so readily tell people on this forum to ignore the rules, particularly when people are grubbing around for work? Sort of, counter productive isn't it? It doesn't generate work for anyone and gives the public the impression that if we don't care about the industry then why should they? I don't hear my local gas fitter telling customers to ignore the rules and do their own installations?

 

[Plonker 3]

Agreed, but only a numskull wouldn't use the info to haggle the price of the property down. I would. It has widening ramifications because you could then argue that if the vendor can't get the wiring correct then other utilities could be iffy also?

That's the problem though, the wiring might well be fine. How many people have brought industrial units but not asked for the certs for any recent works carried out. Probably very few but it doesn't prevent the sale of it. Part P is the most ridiculous thing ever to happen to our trade, surely my 3 years at college where I gained my certs, my apprenticeship where I learned more than anything a college could ever teach me and my 18 years experience in the job means something. No it doesn't a piece of paper I have to pay over £400 a year for has more standing than any them now in law if I want to do most domestic work.

 

[richy3333]

That's the problem though, the wiring might well be fine. How many people have brought industrial units but not asked for the certs for any recent works carried out. Probably very few but it doesn't prevent the sale of it. Part P is the most ridiculous thing ever to happen to our trade, surely my 3 years at college where I gained my certs, my apprenticeship where I learned more than anything a college could ever teach me and my 18 years experience in the job means something. No it doesn't a piece of paper I have to pay over £400 a year for has more standing than any them now in law if I want to do most domestic work.

Fair-do's. If you feel that strongly I hope you contributed vociferously to the Government review of Part P

 

[thekingiam]

if your thinking of selling house on you may encounter problems in the future when going to sell as no certification of new works done. also if i was wanting to buy a house i would feel beter buying a house done by a reputabe electrical firm rather than the home owner having a go.

 

[Plonker 3]

But the OP in this case is a Electrician and says he feels competent to do the works. Yet some one want to take some money off him just to do the work. How is that in any way right?

 

[oldtimer]

Legally ?????? whats that if that was the case then the big DIY sheds would not be able to sell Joe Public a Consumer unit , Double insulated mains cables sockets I could go on but lets just sum this up its just a bloody mess

 

[Plonker 3]

But who knows what people are going to do with stuff brought from the big sheds, it may be for a office block in which case they can do as they please. Where if nothing bad happens to anyone due to the installation they will be fine. Where as us mortal sparks have to justify our worth to simply add a socket in out own kitchen.

 

[Spoon]

I understand where you are coming from Dillb but he now knows its wrong to add sockets to a kitchen. The choice is his.
I had to have some extra sockets in my kitchen. I could have done it myself, but Im not Part P registered. I had a choice. I chose to get a leccy in and do the job, and get all the paper work