EV Charging post AMD2

[Marty92]

Hi all,

Looking at this again…

As most now know the industry is spit on EV Charging and Pen fault detection!

Given there is no standard for O-PEN devices and I am yet to see one which is sold legally, i.e. CE or UKCA certified with an appropriate deceleration of conformity why do some install them?

Amendment 2 seeks to give the installer a bit of protection by providing a suggested set of documentation to attach to the EIC but why would should we be happy to install kit which contravenes statutory legal requirements?

To my mind the only way to safely install an EV charge point is on a TT system or with the point itself with a rod, that has its own problems with proximity to buried metallic services.

Why as an industry have we let it get to a point where installers are actively asked to breach statutory documents?

 

[DPG]

Are there no detection devices on the market that are CE approved then?

 

[Marty92]

There are some which are incorporated in to single phase charging stations such as rolec where the overall unit is CE certified but as far as I can find there are no Matt:e style devices that are CE/EMCR marked or approved.

UK law mats it unlawful to sell or place on the market any device which is not CE or more recently UKCA approved.

 

[Midwest]

Have you watched the videos and web in airs, from the likes of John Ward and the e5 group?

 

[pc1966]

The Matt:e instruction manual as the EU declaration of conformity on LV & EMC, etc, on the last page.

I would be very surprised if they are not CU/UKCA marked.

 

[Lister1987]

The Matt:e instruction manual as the EU declaration of conformity on LV & EMC, etc, on the last page.

I would be very surprised if they are not CU/UKCA marked.

Would be interesting to see the technical file on thr product, I believe this is where yhr gripe comes from; stating conformity but not being very open with the how. Of course Trading Standards and/or HSE can demand the technical file and categorically put it to bed in terms of conformity but I can't see that happening.

I can fully understand thier stance and drive to do thorough due diligence but can't help but think thr manufacturers have a role to play here too; if there's no consumer confidence in tht product thrn it's an uphill battle from there.

 

[Marty92]

I have seen the DoC for the Matt:e but still not CE marked at last look.

EMCD is new though, still not compliant as a programable device though.

Not just them though, not seen standalone any that are CE/UKCA.

The E5 view is one I agree with, these devices are not approved, there is no applicable standard yet.

 

[LastManOnline]

The E5 view is one I agree with, these devices are not approved, there is no applicable standard yet.

Your post is another example of the imbalance that exists in our industry.The balance favours the manufacturers who seem to be able to effortlessly bring a product to market and let others (electrical installer) worry about how to provide the necessary nfrastructure to allow it to be used safely.
A similar situation exists with the use of rcd,s.The types of rcd,s being installed now are resulting from the electronics in appliances which have been on the market for years.Should,nt the manufacture have an obligation to design his product to suit the infrastructure that is already there ? or at least to give some advance notice to the industry as to what is coming down the line.

 

[Marty92]

Your post is another example of the imbalance that exists in our industry.The balance favours the manufacturers who seem to be able to effortlessly bring a product to market and let others (electrical installer) worry about how to provide the necessary nfrastructure to allow it to be used safely.
A similar situation exists with the use of rcd,s.The types of rcd,s being installed now are resulting from the electronics in appliances which have been on the market for years.Should,nt the manufacture have an obligation to design his product to suit the infrastructure that is already there ? or at least to give some advance notice to the industry as to what is coming down the line.

Absolutely… But…

Manufacturers of RCD’s and electronic devices etc etc are at least in the main complying with the laws for their products.

My concern is for the lowly electrician installing these devices, inadvertently breaking the law.

Unless CE/UKCA marked, EMCD & PLC certified these stand alone ‘O-PEN’ units are actually unlawfully sold.

 

[pc1966]

Unless CE/UKCA marked, EMCD & PLC certified these stand alone ‘O-PEN’ units are actually unlawfully sold.

Have you actually asked Matt:e (and similar) about this point?

I would be very surprised if they had not complied with the various UK regulations for such a product, especially as they are sold through retailers like CEF, etc, who are likely to do due diligence on suppliers.