Is EIC required for this job (New CU & ring main) Electrician says no?

[Artoo]

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

 

[Octopus]

Ignore this chancer and find a couple more sparks to quote ....

 

[westward10]

Kick this clown into touch, you are correct with the Certification you require.

 

[Pete999]

Rated people, ignore this bloke, like Murdoch said get some quotes from proper Electricians, rated people. rated Chancer's would be a better description, imo.

 

[Octopus]

Kick this clown into touch, you are correct with the Certification you require.

It's not just an EIC, it's the part p bit too

 

[Leesparkykent]

The reason electricians register with a competent person scheme like the NICEIC, Elecsa, Napit, Stroma etc is so they don't have to pay the extortionate building control fees for notification. Find yourself an electrician who's registered with one of these schemes and get them to quote.

 

[Pete999]

The reason electricians register with a components person scheme like the NICEIC, Elecsa, Napit, Stroma etc is so they don't have to pay the extortionate building control fees for notification. Find yourself an electrician who's registered with one of these schemes and get them to quote.

components persons schemes they can't be very component can they?

 

[Artoo]

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The reason electricians register with a components person scheme like the NICEIC, Elecsa, Napit, Stroma etc is so they don't have to pay the extortionate building control fees for notification. Find yourself an electrician who's registered with one of these schemes and get them to quote.

That's the thing, he is registered with NAPIT so I don't see why it would be an issue for him to provide the certificate. I've emailed him the building regs and questioned his assertion, but I think probably better to find someone else who isn't so cagey about certification to do the job! Thanks for the quick replies.

 

[The Ghost]

Yes.

 

[Octopus]

^^ ^^ sounds like he wants a cash and strictly no paperwork job. ..

 

[Spoon]

he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements",

Ask him to verify his comment by email.. I bet he doesn't.

 

[Leesparkykent]

components persons schemes they can't be very component can they?

Bloody I phone...I've corrected it

 

[Artoo]

Ask him to verify his comment by email.. I bet he doesn't.

He actually wrote that in the email when I responded to his initial quote, which is what led me to investigate further!

 

[Spoon]

He actually wrote that in the email when I responded to his initial quote, which is what led me to investigate further!

ooooooo... cool. email it to NAPIT, with the electricians name and see what they say.

 

[Octopus]

ooooooo... cool. email it to NAPIT, with the electricians name and see what they say.

And HMRC

 

[westward10]

Never ceases to amaze me the level of some people's stupidity.

 

[Artoo]

When challenged about the certification this is the reply I got:
"I am sorry i got confused and thought your quote was someone elses that i did today as well for replacing exsisting lights , yes the fuseboard change can be certified which i can so , however this then assumes that the exsisting wiring is up to standard if any faults are found they will need to be corrected before a certificate can be issued or not connected to the fuseboard it can be a problem but let's be positive"

 

[telectrix]

sounds like a genuine mistake on his part. just ask him to verify that the job will be notified to BC through Napit. most sparks will give the installation a brief inspection and test before carrying out a consumer unit change, to see if therewill be any problems arising from faults on circuits.
as an aside. I'm in Cheshire and would be happy to give you a 2nd quote. then you can decide on which to accept.

 

[Midwest]

---- happens

 

[Midwest]

Lost in translation. Re the second bit, if your house has some dodgey faults, that's extra. Par for the course. I'm otta of here. Merry Xmas to one and all. Wonder what Santa Claus has got for me tonite. Try to sleep or not open my eyes. Wait up that's for 6 year olds not 60 year olds

 

[Midwest]

sounds like a genuine mistake on his part. just ask him to verify that the job will be notified to BC through Napit. most sparks will give the installation a brief inspection and test before carrying out a consumer unit change, to see if therewill be any problems arising from faults on circuits.
as an aside. I'm in Cheshire and would be happy to give you a 2nd quote. then you can decide on which to accept.

Advertising is not allowed other than forum sponsors. Well ----, it is Xmas after all.

 

[MJPD29]

It does sound like a genuine mistake I have to say, hopefully I'm not wrong. Oh and merry Christmas everyone

 

[richy3333]

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That's the thing, he is registered with NAPIT so I don't see why it would be an issue for him to provide the certificate. I've emailed him the building regs and questioned his assertion, but I think probably better to find someone else who isn't so cagey about certification to do the job! Thanks for the quick replies.

Copy your email to NAPIT too. Sounds like the two need a chat

 

[Spoon]

Copy your email to NAPIT too. Sounds like the two need a chat

People are thinking its a mistake from the electrician. see his reply on post #17.
I'm not so sure.. I wonder if he would have done no cert if the OP hadn't question it.......

 

[telectrix]

People are thinking its a mistake from the electrician. see his reply on post #17.
I'm not so sure.. I wonder if he would have done no cert if the OP hadn't question it.......

whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty?

 

[Spoon]

whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty?

haha ... I'm grumpy. What happened to knowing your job.

 

[telectrix]

---- happens. i once sent a customer an invoice for a call-out to replace a broken socket faceplate.... £965.oo. .... got crossed with a CU change and kitchen rewire. sometimes 1 digit can cause a major problem. ( as the actress said to the bishop, "missed it".

 

[Dave OCD]

I bet the kitchen rewire & CU change customer paid their £40 bill real quick though.

 

[Spoon]

**** happens..

True mate.. It would be interesting to see if the electrician would have actually give a cert if he did the work....

 

[Old Tiler 43192]

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That's the thing, he is registered with NAPIT so I don't see why it would be an issue for him to provide the certificate. I've emailed him the building regs and questioned his assertion, but I think probably better to find someone else who isn't so cagey about certification to do the job! Thanks for the quick replies.

There are two certificates required so don't get confused as some of these replies seem to have.

1) There will need to be a Part P certificate and if he is part of a competent person scheme he can instigate that himself otherwise the LABC have to be involved and paid.

and

2) There needs to be an Electrical Installation Certificate for the CU change and one for the new circuit which every electrician doing this work should produce whether they are part of a competent scheme or not.

 

[Deleted account]

I personally would Only issue one eir for both the cu and new loft circuit. A bit of a waste of time doing both lots of paperwork. As long as you state all works carried out on cert, and when notifying you tick both cu change and new circuit boxes that would be enough.

However there is nothing wrong with issuing 2 certs as dksanders suggests.
Just feel it is doing the same paperwork twice. And doing 2 lots of notification. I'd rather save both my time and customers money.

 

[garyt]

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

Hi, I've contacted an electrician to install a new consumer unit, as well as a new ring main into the loft. I asked if his quote included the appropriate certification, I assume an EIC, he said "as far as certification is concerned you don't need any as it's straight replacements", I checked my local council building control regs which state that "notifiable works include a) The installation of a new circuit; b) The replacement of a consumer unit"

So is he trying to save me £480 by not making a building regs application for a £100 consumer unit? Or is he cutting corners and I should look for someone else? He appears to be legit, positive reviews on Ratedpeople and accredited by NAPIT. Could you guys advise, I don't know enough about certification to call him out on this but I don't want a cowboy job that I'll regret later..

Can anyone help?

Hi only just seen this post, regarding the EIC, must be used as he is installing new circuits, minor works used only for alterations & additions to the original circuits.

 

[Colin33]

I'd be more concerned at the '£100 consumer unit' !! If you're going to the trouble of changing it, then why not get a box full of RCBO's? Especially on an older system where there's likely to be issues... so more like £200...