JIB Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) JIB infuriating!

[dellboy78]

Hi,
Am I the only one who finds the JIB infuriating? I have recently received my ECS card which proudly depicts me as a trainee electrician! I have C&G 2360 parts 1&2, C&G 2391, 2382, 2399. Apparently I'm not an electrican. I think it is ridiculous that I am expected to go back to college and start from scratch to get an NVQ in order to be recognised as an electrician on my ECS card. Why were the C&G courses still being offered if they were no good? What a waste of time and money! I'm not fussed about being an 'approved electrician' but 'electrician' would be nice! I'm embarrassed to show anyone my ECS card as it has TRAINEE written in big red letters on it. Is there any other way for people in my situation? There must be hundreds of others like me. They could at least offer some sort of bridging course to bring older qualifications into line.

Cheers

 

[highspark]

It happened to me I have the 2330, 17th Edition and 2391. I also got a trainee card. I'm doing the 2356 at present. I no longer use JIB cards

 

[Guest123]

You dont need to go back to college and start again.

I believe there is still time to complete the NVQ online with companies such as Delta Electrical Training & XS to name a few.

There are a few threads on here regarding doing the online NVQ.


A quick google will probably throw upo some more options.

 

[highspark]

He has until the end of July to splash 800 bucks and jump on 2356

 

[Andy 7671]

No mention of AM2...?

If you are employed direct can you get a reference from them...?

 

[vernam616]

Thing is its not just JIB, if you dont own a nvq3 or equivilant, your not a qualified electrician on paper

Shame for all the old timers, however im sure the same will happen in the future to me, when nvq3 is no longer good enough
Regardless if you like jib/use them, its becoming more compulsary as they are affiliated with ECS, and cscs as of which you need to obtain access to a lot of sites to prove competancy and that you have sat the health and safety exam

 

[DurhamSparky]

SOD the JIB...!

invest your £35 quid in the pub!

 

[vernam616]

How else do you easily prove your quals without walking around with copies of them?

I was Working for ABB yesterday and they asked for all my quals, showed him JIB card which lists them and said that will do, makes life much easier

 

[cbw]

Hmmmmm..............

Tend to agree with DS

That said I also like my staff to be Gold card....

Hypocrite perhaps????

 

[DurhamSparky]

I like my staff to be able to do the job not just hold a card...!!

 

[vernam616]

All well and good "knowing" the job, but the card proves they have electrical knowledge not just " oh well My mate dave said you could do it that way"

 

[cbw]

I like JIB gold and 2391.......................

As stated, I like my staff to have these,

I have neither!!!!

 

[vernam616]

I worked hard for my qualifications like many of us on here, i like having my card to show ive gone through proper training and care enough about my job/career to prove my competancy, if any elements of doubt crop up its there and you can soon shut people up, for what it costs its stupid not to get one, i think the biggest issue here is people are worried they wont get a gold card back just like the OP and thus shying away from applying

 

[DurhamSparky]

I did apply and successfully received my money back...!!

reason behind... i don't have the City and Guilds Level 3 course.... i have a BTEC Level 3 instead

i was originally told its fine as its an equivalent then told no its not it has to be C&G or nothing!

 

[Arnold Layne]

Dellboy, it is not the the City& Guilds courses are no good in fact they are the best for the theory, it's just that they don't prove that you can do anything practical, hence the reason for the NVQ. As others have said you do not need to go back to college there are other options, including your employer if you have one. If you need an ECS card ( because you want to work on the industrial/commercial sites) then I'm afraid there is no way round proving your practical competence if you want a JIB Electrician Grade. The colleges just offer the courses and don't seem to explain what else is required, depending on what sector you want to work in. Good luck!

 

[vernam616]

I dont see why they cant just be a statutory set of qualifications, serving an apprentiship alongside them and then you become qualified

As far as im aware if you aint got nvq3 you aint qualified and cant really call yourself an electrician, i went out of my way and studyed nvq3 so why shouldnt anyone else?

In fairness i do know lads who are really good at doing practical aspects of the job however they have to be told what gos where etc... , being and electrician is about understanding why it gos there and if its safe to do so

 

[DurhamSparky]

My point to the JIB was...

I studied an Engineering Apprenticeship with RN,
Hold 2382,2377,2391, NVQ 3 Btec Level 3, HV AP Qualification.

I have been i the Engineering/Electrical/Nuclear Trade since 2003 have TMIET registration with IET and still im a labourer!! lol............

 

[vernam616]

I see your point, even more reason to bring statutory quals in

 

[DurhamSparky]

Jib sux!!!

 

[Guest55]

...... i think the biggest issue here is people are worried they wont get a gold card back just like the OP and thus shying away from applying

^^This.
Nail on head.
It pleases me greatly that its tough to get the gold one otherwise all the 5 week wonders will be waving them around.
Makes to easier to spot the time served pro's. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[DurhamSparky]

and explain why i can get one...!!

 

[alarm man]

^^This.
Nail on head.
It pleases me greatly that its tough to get the gold one otherwise all the 5 week wonders will be waving them around.
Makes to easier to spot the time served pro's. :smilewinkgrin:

you dont need a jib card to go alone doing domestics,a Electrical Trainee doesnt need one

 

[Guest55]

Ask JIB.
Only they know why you didnt meet their criteria.
And it is possible to get the gold card without the nvq3 , my route was industry assessed by my former employers whom provided references.

 

[alarm man]

and explain why i can get one...!!

this is where it falls down a bit,id prefer tmiet after my name than jib,someone with the right quals should automaticaly qualify for jib status imo

 

[Guest55]

you dont need a jib card to go alone doing domestics,a Electrical Trainee doesnt need one

Never said it was needed to do domestic , just that a Electrical Trainee wont get one after his part p course lol.

 

[DurhamSparky]

oh i know why!! cause they idiots lol...! want city and guilds certs...!

oh well never stopped me getting where i need to get...! £35 in my pocket as well lol...!

 

[alarm man]

Never said it was needed to do domestic , just that a Electrical Trainee wont get one after his part p course lol.

and so they shouldnt,but you have lads like ds who lets face it is more than qualified for electrical work,(which gets me onto another thing that electrical work is just confined to domestic properties like it seems to be) than most of us, gets treated like a Electrical Trainee,if were to make the jib the place for real sparks you cant dismiss people with the quals to keep it that way and keep the chancers out

 

[DurhamSparky]

thanks bud!

 

[Guest55]

oh i know why!! cause they idiots lol...! want city and guilds certs...!

oh well never stopped me getting where i need to get...! £35 in my pocket as well lol...!

I'd guess its because your Btec is a solely classroom based qual while C&G has on-site skills training , totally different IMO.
So stop with the tantrums like the kid who didnt get the ice cream lol.

 

[alarm man]

I'd guess its because your Btec is a solely class based qual while C&G has on-site skills training , totally different IMO.
So stop with the tantrums like the kid who didnt the ice cream lol.

to be fair biff being an electrician isnt just about site work and tray conduit etc,being a spark is about all aspects of electrical work from domestic to whatever,you have time served sparks who have only done domestic,you have time served sparks who have only worked in the shipyards but a good spark should be able to turn his hand to all aspects of work,he wont be a master of it all but he will quickly learn

 

[Guest55]

I understand your point alarm man , however , the JIB only give the grading when there is sufficient site/skills experience to go with the qualifications which is quite right IMO
Just being MIET does not guarantee that.

 

[Andy 7671]

Your ideals are spot on biff, something I have worked long and hard towards...

I would like to say that what Ive seen of this NVQ3,the JIB favourite is just so open to misuse, I dont think Ive seen one proper photo record, just treated as a joke.

Gonna sign up when I get my tax rebate so I may have to eat my words...

 

[lfcsparkycus]

im waiting for mine to arrive, i wanted improver on mine but because i aint got employer i get labourer card, bit annoyed but no biggy but you gotta feel sorry for blokes like durhamsparky and many others with bucket loads of experience. does that all count for nothing

 

[alarm man]

I understand your point alarm man , however , the JIB only give the grading when there is sufficient site/skills experience to go with the qualifications which is quite right IMO
Just being MIET does not guarantee that.

granted,but not all sparks have worked on a site,some have not done a year of tray etc,all good practice i agree,but its role reversal for me and ds,i done the commercial and industrial then went marine to security its all the work of a spark imo,he's done marine and went domestic/commercial maybe looking to industrial i dont know,but he has the knowledge he's been an apprentice etc,what would you prefer in the industry,a Electrical Trainee taking away the jobs and driving the rates down,or someone who can actually do a job.i'll swap a week teaching ds how to bend conduit and make a pyro off for how to fix a nuclear submarine..fair swap.. piece of p*** that submarine lark..:cool4:

 

[DurhamSparky]

Biff the point your missing my friend is that the JIB "ACCEPTED" my application then shifted the goal posts and used City and Guilds as an excuse...!

they admitted that the theory and my experience were suficent but it needed to be City and Guilds...! load of tosh if you ask me...!


if i was trusted and trained to maintain nuclear powered generation equipment down to LV outlets not to mention look after one of the most critical vented UPS systems ever designed im sure that demonstrated MORE than some of the folk who stroll out of college with a Gold Card ever can do...! after passing a practical on how to glad a SWA and wire a couple of sockets!

NUFF SAID!

 

[DurhamSparky]

lol sorry alarm man! was typing up while you already posted!! lol

 

[Guest55]

Your ideals are spot on biff, something I have worked long and hard towards...

Not my ideals , but the JIB's requirements unforntunately.
At the end of the day , my gold card gets me on site and in work without
having to carry a portfolio around.
Its a no brainer whether to get one even if it has improver or trainee stamped on it ,
it still counts.

 

[DurhamSparky]

how to fix a submarine - YouTube

just for alarm man.... !!! not all as easy as this one mind..!


BIFF!

TBH i would never need a JIB card any way! dont work sites..
I happily employed in a Perm Job as a building services technician (HV Authorised)
and I run a small but professional Domestic and Commercial / Light Industrial contracting company with 2 staff....

 

[Guest55]

Biff the point your missing my friend is that the JIB "ACCEPTED" my application then shifted the goal posts and used City and Guilds as an excuse...!

they admitted that the theory and my experience were suficent but it needed to be City and Guilds...! load of tosh if you ask me...!


if i was trusted and trained to maintain nuclear powered generation equipment down to LV outlets not to mention look after one of the most critical vented UPS systems ever designed im sure that demonstrated MORE than some of the folk who stroll out of college with a Gold Card ever can do...! after passing a practical on how to glad a SWA and wire a couple of sockets!

NUFF SAID!

Bad luck on them moving the goal posts , i'd be ****ed too ,
but your rant is just making you look childish.

 

[Guest55]

how to fix a submarine - YouTube

just for alarm man.... !!! not all as easy as this one mind..!


TBH i would never need a JIB card any way! dont work sites..

Then why the **** apply in the first place ?
Its a tough process even if you do meet all the criteria.