No cpc on lighting and no neutral continuity on kitchen ring

[Octopus]

Disagree 200% It's about his inspection not meeting the requirements for a board change.

So you are saying that you would tell a customer they can't have a new fuseboard because the lighting circuit doesn't have a CPC

Even if he had inspected it thoroughly before he could still have gone ahead and changed the CU

 

[Pete999]

Yes, inspector will make you fix these issues and will lecture you, the installation has to be fit enough for the consumer board so fault trips meet regulation requirements. Also the regs have set in place that all lighting be earthed, I think it will be introduced in the 18th edition. Plus you have to notify building authority, so if anything does go wrong, your name is on the papers.

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[Pete999]

I believe the requirement for protective conductors in lighting circuits was introduced in 1966.

What he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[sham]

The requirement for a cpc at every point is a current requirement.
The guidance to swap out to class 2 fittings on a circuit with no cpc is not in the regs.

Before, on a certificate, no CPC to lighting was classed as a c3 with advice of no metal light fittings. But in the 18th it will be a c1 or c2. Basically a fail

 

[Octopus]

Before, on a certificate, no CPC to lighting was classed as a c3 with advice of no metal light fittings. But in the 18th it will be a c1 or c2. Basically a fail

Really ?????????????????????????????????

 

[sham]

So you are saying that you would tell a customer they can't have a new fuseboard because the lighting circuit doesn't have a CPC

Even if he had inspected it thoroughly before he could still have gone ahead and changed the CU

I would not change it untill rectifications are made first.

 

[Octopus]

I would not change it untill rectifications are made first.

So poor Mrs Jones, who can't deal with BS 3036 fuses anymore will HAVE to have her lighting rewired before you would change a fuseboard ...........................

Bad practice IMHO

What do your scheme say?

 

[Pete999]

Disagree 100%

Replacing a fuseboard, for one with RCD's will make the installation safer.........

What he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[sham]

Really ?????????????????????????????????

Yes I've seen it on old certs, even that made me confused. But I made inquiries, the inspector was right. However all has to be earthed. In a domestic all circuits are RCD protected but if there is a break in the R1 + R2 it defeats the objects

 

[Octopus]

Yes I've seen it on old certs, even that made me confused. But I made inquiries, the inspector was right. However all has to be earthed. In a domestic all circuits are RCD protected but if there is a break in the R1 + R2 it defeats the objects

Seen what exactly on old certs?

 

[Toneyz]

Before, on a certificate, no CPC to lighting was classed as a c3 with advice of no metal light fittings. But in the 18th it will be a c1 or c2. Basically a fail

What do you base that statement on?

 

[Pete999]

Yo

What do you base that statement on?

u took your time to get in on the argument Ant

 

[sham]

So poor Mrs Jones, who can't deal with BS 3036 fuses anymore will HAVE to have her lighting rewired before you would change a fuseboard ...........................

Bad practice IMHO

What do your scheme say?

The installation has to meet requirements so mcbs will operate in the times stated in regs, whoever is responsible for changing the board has the duty to test the circuits and they have to meet requirements. Otherwise RCD will not trip.

 

[sham]

So poor Mrs Jones, who can't deal with BS 3036 fuses anymore will HAVE to have her lighting rewired before you would change a fuseboard ...........................

Bad practice IMHO

What do your scheme say?

The installation has to meet requirements so mcbs will operate in the times stated in regs, whoever is responsible for changing the board has the duty to test the circuits and they have to meet requirements. Otherwise RCD will not trip.

 

[sham]

So poor Mrs Jones, who can't deal with BS 3036 fuses anymore will HAVE to have her lighting rewired before you would change a fuseboard ...........................

Bad practice IMHO

What do your scheme say?

The installation has to meet requirements so mcbs will operate in the times stated in regs, whoever is responsible for changing the board has the duty to test the circuits and they have to meet requirements. Otherwise RCD will not trip.

 

[Toneyz]

Before, on a certificate, no CPC to lighting was classed as a c3 with advice of no metal light fittings. But in the 18th it will be a c1 or c2. Basically a fail

What do you base that statement on?

Yo

u took your time to get in on the argument Ant

Had to check my regs book.

 

[Octopus]

The installation has to meet requirements so mcbs will operate in the times stated in regs, whoever is responsible for changing the board has the duty to test the circuits and they have to meet requirements. Otherwise RCD will not trip.

I've seen a RCD protecting a lighting circuit (with no cpc) trip a RCD....

Do you understand how RCD's work?

 

[Pete999]

What do you base that statement on?

Had to check my regs book.

Right OK good to see you are on the ball

 

[Octopus]

Before, on a certificate, no CPC to lighting was classed as a c3 with advice of no metal light fittings. But in the 18th it will be a c1 or c2. Basically a fail

This is irrelevant to this thread - the OP's doing a CU change , not an EICR

 

[sham]

What do you base that statement on?

Regs, looking at old certs dated 2013 and then phoning up and asking the person issuing the certs that he passed an periodic inspection even though there is no earth to lighting. I always believed with my old company that you had to earth no matter what. Apparently you could get away without CPC to lighting before, as long as there are no metal switches or fittings. That's all changing now.