Please help!!!!!!! Trainee in distress!

[V=IR]

Hello folks,

I am about halfway through level 2 2365 Electrical Installations level 2, I have just started on the topic of cable selection Ib...In ...Vd etc... I feel like my tutor is pacing the whole group way too fast and we have plenty of time to sit the exam, he's already tried booking the exam and city and guilds said it's too early, I feel like I cannot absorb a lot of information from him as he just speeds through the lesson, I am autistic which can make the lesson difficult sometimes as it is absorbing information. I've spoken to additional learning support and the curriculum leader but feels like I'm getting nowhere :/, I successfully completed my level 3 qualification in PAT testing , my level of understanding electrics is not the issue its the Math , particularly transposing formula and understanding formula such as triangles etc and I haven't studied transformer theory yet. If there's anyone out there willing to help me understand this a bit better I'd be very grateful, cheers! was wondering if this could be posted in main general area too as not many people are in this thread, thanks

 

[The Ghost]

I am sorry if this is a dumb question but what is autistic exactly? Does it stop you learning or what?

 

[V=IR]

Hi I have Autism which is a disorder that can effect people in many different ways it's best to Google search what it is

 

[Spoon]

If you want info on cable calculations then have a look at this.

Youtube is your friend..... sometimes....

 

[JAWS]

http://www.napitonline.com/downloads/CP 2 07 P 10-11 16th Cable Sizing 1 of 2.pdf

 

[PEG]

I have several friends,and two family members,who are affected to differing degrees,with diagnosed forms of autism.

When i was at senior school,in the 70's,various schoolmates were diagnosed by some teachers,using the tried and tested method of informing the individual,in front of the form,that they were an "ignorant distraction and not worthy of assistance..."

Thankfully,we have come a long way

The OP has been frank enough to describe his dilemma,and i hope we can assist.

I reckon,if you have identified the issue as being the mathematics,then isolate your learning,to that area.
There are some really excellent tutorial books,for guiding youngsters towards entrance exams,for senior school.

These have well thought out,explanations,of transposing,and many other equation tools.

Ignore the electrical bit,just concentrate on getting confident with the calculations,and when they are swapped for the real thing - it won't matter.

Good luck,dude

 

[static zap]

Moveing formulas about is easy if practice with what you know ....

But it does envolve fractions ..!

10 = 2 x 5 (2 hands and 10 digits ( of 5 fingers+thumbs))

10
------- = 5
2

10
----- = 2 ............ it's a combination only 3 possible
5

Triangles are the new approach but learn one or the other !
Hide unknown with finger ..!

 

[V=IR]

Thank you

If you want info on cable calculations then have a look at this.

Youtube is your friend..... sometimes....

 

[V=IR]

The way they teach it at college for formulas is a = b+c make c the subject which I think the answer is c = b-a but I get so stuck with it

Moveing formulas about is easy if practice with what you know ....

But it does envolve fractions ..!

10 = 2 x 5 (2 hands and 10 digits ( of 5 fingers+thumbs))

10
------- = 5
2

10
----- = 2 ............ it's a combination only 3 possible
5

Triangles are the new approach but learn one or the other !
Hide unknown with finger ..!

 

[V=IR]

I'm high functioning on the autism spectrum, I left school at 15 and went back to college to train because it'
Something I've always wanted to do. School days were difficult as I wasn'
Diagnosed until two years ago so school was pretty horrible. Simple things like diversity and conduit and trunking factors are not a problem it'
More the formulas triangles and flemmings right hand rule I can'
Get my head around, with cable selection the thing that bothers me is trying to find everything in OSG

I have several friends,and two family members,who are affected to differing degrees,with diagnosed forms of autism.

When i was at senior school,in the 70's,various schoolmates were diagnosed by some teachers,using the tried and tested method of informing the individual,in front of the form,that they were an "ignorant distraction and not worthy of assistance..."

Thankfully,we have come a long way

The OP has been frank enough to describe his dilemma,and i hope we can assist.

I reckon,if you have identified the issue as being the mathematics,then isolate your learning,to that area.
There are some really excellent tutorial books,for guiding youngsters towards entrance exams,for senior school.

These have well thought out,explanations,of transposing,and many other equation tools.

Ignore the electrical bit,just concentrate on getting confident with the calculations,and when they are swapped for the real thing - it won't matter.

Good luck,dude

 

[gazdkw82]

So are you struggling with rearranging formulas or cable selection? Or both?

 

[telectrix]

re-a rranging formulae is not as difficult as it first looks. just consider that whatever you do to 1 side of the equation ( e.g. subtract a value) y udo the same to the other. so:

a = b +c ,

to get c on it's own, tou subtract b,

therefore yo bust subtract b from the other side,

so
a- b = c.

same applies to add, multilpy and divide.

 

[The Ghost]

Ok I think I have an idea what Autism is. So first I want to say that everyone who does these calculations except for the savants, have the same difficulty as you. Have you not noticed how your classmates are dealing with the same thing? One of my classmates had a very bad time getting to grips with them. I think the thing is people try to understand straight away, rather than remember these things. First listen to what you are told and try to remember it. It is fatal to try to understand it straight away. Having begun to remember it do worked examples. I highly recommend the book Andrew Butler's Basic Electrical Formulae as you become more familiar with what is an alien concept you will begin to understand what you are doing.

 

[gazdkw82]

What's that book like Vortigern?

 

[telectrix]

What's that book like Vortigern?

a bit like any other book.it's got pages with writing on them.

and itlikes for peeps to read it.

 

[gazdkw82]

Well that was enthralling. Thanks

 

[The Ghost]

What's that book like Vortigern?

It has all the basic formulas for an electrician, like HP working it out, resistivity, Pf, resistors in parallel and series and so on. It is laid out nice and simple but it has it all at the basic level which is what I am. It is old but the formulas have not changed except the Cmin/max introduction with Amd 3. If you look on Amazon for it you get to read a few pages which will give you a better idea. You can get it on Kindle as well.

 

[Madocks]

with cable selection the thing that bothers me is trying to find everything in OSG

Ask permission to write in your OSG, in the back of mine i have my own index for common used pages, max ZS etc

 

[V=IR]

It's both with cable selection it'
Remembering the tables in osg, transposing formulas I just can'
Get my head around remembering all of the formulas can be a struggle too

So are you struggling with rearranging formulas or cable selection? Or both?

 

[Tes369]

Electrical Installation Calculations by A.J. Watkins is a very good book it's on Amazon for £5.60p

Good luck

 

[V=IR]

Hi I will look into that book thank you I'm pretty confident in ohms law formulas pd and such it's more the complicated ones I'm stuck on and the transposing of them there are so many to remember

Ok I think I have an idea what Autism is. So first I want to say that everyone who does these calculations except for the savants, have the same difficulty as you. Have you not noticed how your classmates are dealing with the same thing? One of my classmates had a very bad time getting to grips with them. I think the thing is people try to understand straight away, rather than remember these things. First listen to what you are told and try to remember it. It is fatal to try to understand it straight away. Having begun to remember it do worked examples. I highly recommend the book Andrew Butler's Basic Electrical Formulae as you become more familiar with what is an alien concept you will begin to understand what you are doing.

 

[JAWS]

What unit are you currently studying on the level 2 mate where you are working out cable selections?

 

[PEG]

Hi,i would hang fire,on the electrical calculation books,until the formulae and transposing,is squared.

If not,you will be trying to do two things at once,which is always harder.
Start with simple trig,such as Pythagoras theorem,calculate backwards from two known values,and it will all look easy,choose a 3 - 4 - 5 triangle,and add more complication,as you go on.

It's gold-rush time,at the moment,for tutoring entrance exams,and the book shops have a good selection of publications.

We all have our strong and weak areas. My mum has a double first,and then a Masters distinction,in English Language and Literature,but she cannot tell me what a square root is.

Nor does she care

Use the force,Luke,use the force

 

[The Ghost]

My solution finding different things in books.

 

[littlespark]

Looks like you've stolen my Big Yellow Book there Vortigern. Except yours is neater.

OP: Is the rest of the class struggling, if tutor is rushing into things?
There should be assistance for anyone with a learning issue, be it Autism or Dyslexia... Understanding the sense of the question is half the battle.
Good luck to you

 

[mbspark1979]

6 x 2 = 4 x 3 how would you make 3 the subject? That is what your tutor is asking( only he wants c, it's the same though).Every time you move across the = you change the sign e.g if it is multiplied on the right it will be divide sign on the left . 6=a, 2 =b, 4=d, 3= c. Try that.

 

[telectrix]

6 x 2 = 4 x 3 how would you make 3 the subject? That is what your tutor is asking( only he wants c, it's the same though).Every time you move across the = you change the sign e.g if it is multiplied on the right it will be divide sign on the left . 6=a, 2 =b, 4=d, 3= c. Try that.

the simple explanation in that example is that to get 3 on it's own, you divide the right hand side by 4. therefore you need to also divide the left hand side by 4 to maintain "="

 

[mbspark1979]

the simple explanation in that example is that to get 3 on it's own, you divide the right hand side by 4. therefore you need to also divide the left hand side by 4 to maintain "="

Fair point. I find some trainees find it hard to understand dividing both sides. I find giving the numbers instead of letters and playing about with them helps it click. Whichever way works best, as long as they gets it

 

[telectrix]

i learnt the old school way. get it wrong and a half brick sized board rubber would whistle past or ( if you weren't paying attention and ducking) into the side of your head.

 

[mbspark1979]

i learnt the old school way. get it wrong and a half brick sized board rubber would whistle past or ( if you weren't paying attention and ducking) into the side of your head.

The best way! Although you would have plenty of time to duck these days. The tutor would have to fill out a risk assessment, method statement, and get email confirmation from the HSE before chucking the rubber!

 

[telectrix]

The best way! Although you would have plenty of time to duck these days. The tutor would have to fill out a risk assessment, method statement, and get email confirmation from the HSE before chucking the rubber!

and await a visit by Plod with handcuffs.

 

[mbspark1979]

and await a visit by Plod with handcuffs.

Mum and dad in tow telling how wee johnny is amazing

 

[telectrix]

remember my son's teacher telling me that my son spelt atrociously.
i said, he's doing well then. that's a hard word to spell.