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After about 20 years messing about as a police officer, I want to return to the industry. Back in the day before big pointy hats and 'ello 'ello 'ello, I was a time served Approved Electrician with a 16th edition qualification and a "C" course under my belt.
What do I need to get back working and can anyone recommend the best way to gain such qualifications.
 
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A regs course/qualification would be of benefit after that much time out. Update your JIB/ECS card if you think you're going to need it for employment.
 
Probably worth doing the 18th exam just to refresh the old memory and bobs your uncle back in the saddle.

Just remember you have to rcd the carp out of everything now and use metal cable supports. The rest is pretty much the same as 25 years ago
 

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What part don’t you agree with Pete ?
Hi Dusty, I'm sure your posts is well meaning, but in all honesty someone who has been out of the trade for some 20 years, and you say, or insinuate that an update course on BS7671 is all that is needed to get back in the saddle is all that is needed, is in my opinion, somewhat a glossy reply , lots of stuff has changed over the past 25 years.
Sorry to be disagreeing with you, there was/is no offence intended, it's just that I feel your reply was well meant, but ill advised.
 

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Hi Dusty, I'm sure your posts is well meaning, but in all honesty someone who has been out of the trade for some 20 years, and you say, or insinuate that an update course on BS7671 is all that is needed to get back in the saddle is all that is needed, is in my opinion, somewhat a glossy reply , lots of stuff has changed over the past 25 years.
Sorry to be disagreeing with you, there was/is no offence intended, it's just that I feel your reply was well meant, but ill advised.
biggest hurdle ,Pete, will be getting used to brown/blue.most of the rest will be in BS7671.
 

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Yes good example Tel, C min Amd 3 the list could go on but I'm sadly rather otherwise engaged.
 

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a study of the book (7671, 18th.)should highlight most of the changes. it's still the same electrickery.
 

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a study of the book (7671, 18th.)should highlight most of the changes. it's still the same electrickery.
Not entirely true Tel 25 years ago, 2 years ago it was 240V single phase and 415 V 3 phase today as you well know it's 230V and 400V 3 phase
 
I have dipped in and out of the trade over the past 20-25years.
It really hasn’t changed all that much.
Unless you literally moved abroad in 1990 and only returning today you will know we moved over to brown blue harmony and know about Partpee.
You can read up on the 17th and 18th over a weekend to catch up.
It’s a bit like riding a bike :)
 
That’s really not that long Pete ,

Most of the theory and practical from then will be exactly the same now

Just need to familiarise with the current regs
 

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as you well know it's 230V and 400V 3 phase

try attaching a meter.it's still 240 and 415. the lower values are just EU fantasy world.
 

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After about 20 years messing about as a police officer, I want to return to the industry. Back in the day before big pointy hats and 'ello 'ello 'ello, I was a time served Approved Electrician with a 16th edition qualification and a "C" course under my belt.
What do I need to get back working and can anyone recommend the best way to gain such qualifications.
I did something similar to your good self. As well as the latest addition to BS7671, I would recommended a testing & inspection course, eye opener for me when back in my day, all we had was a test lamp & megger.

You need to think about your business model, unless your going PAYE. If its self employed, its tools. testers, van, insurance, accountant, ohh and getting some work to earn a crust.
 
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Thanks. To be honest, as I am out of the loop, I was thinking of re qualifying with then 18th and taking some work as a mate until I was back in my stride. I know things have changed and new wiring systems, practices will be a challenge.
Thanks to all who have taken the time to reply. I am sorry one of you has taken against me, possibly due to my previous job, but there you go. Are there any particular 18th edition training companies that anyone would recommend.
 

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I take it Neil you are referring to my reply, let me explain I'm not against you getting back into the electrical Trade, good luck to yo infact. What I disagreed to the advice given, "catch up over the weekend" it will be more intense than that, it's an insult to Practicing Electricians to sense that after a 29 year layoff, by reading up over the weekend and sitting the 18th, will get you back into the grove. Laughable really, but I meant no malice, just that you must realise it will take more than a good read to be able to regain your skills, good luck, any way.
I'm sure if the boot was on the other foot and someone had posted that they had been a Policeman 25 years ago, and wanted to return to that profession, reading up on the latest developments over the weekend would elicit the same sort of response.
 
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I take it Neil you are referring to my reply, let me explain I'm not against you getting back into the electrical Trade, good luck to yo infact. What I disagreed to the advice given, "catch up over the weekend" it will be more intense than that, it's an insult to Practicing Electricians to sense that after a 29 year layoff, by reading up over the weekend and sitting the 18th, will get you back into the grove. Laughable really, but I meant no malice, just that you must realise it will take more than a good read to be able to regain your skills, good luck, any way.
I dont know where you got 29 years from. I accept your somewhat grudging apology. I am not entirely stupid. I was in the game for 20 + years and I am not expecting to sit the exam and all will be great. I am 20 years older and will take time to readjust to what has no doubt been a dramatic change over the last 20 years. However I am going to re qualify and I will try to get work as a mate until I can find my feet again. Assuming that I would just carry on as if the last 20 years had not happened is ridiculous.
 

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I dont know where you got 29 years from. I accept your somewhat grudging apology. I am not entirely stupid. I was in the game for 20 + years and I am not expecting to sit the exam and all will be great. I am 20 years older and will take time to readjust to what has no doubt been a dramatic change over the last 20 years. However I am going to re qualify and I will try to get work as a mate until I can find my feet again. Assuming that I would just carry on as if the last 20 years had not happened is ridiculous.
I meant 25 years Neil
 

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I dont know where you got 29 years from. I accept your somewhat grudging apology. I am not entirely stupid. I was in the game for 20 + years and I am not expecting to sit the exam and all will be great. I am 20 years older and will take time to readjust to what has no doubt been a dramatic change over the last 20 years. However I am going to re qualify and I will try to get work as a mate until I can find my feet again. Assuming that I would just carry on as if the last 20 years had not happened is ridiculous.
don't mindpete.he'sa grumpy old sod at the best of times :D:D:D:D. no offence pete. you should know me by now.:p:p:p
 
The only thing that's really changed is the standard of work, its a lot poorer than 20 years ago. I would not work as a mate or anything to get back in the swing of it. Do the 18th edition in evening at a college so its last about 12 weeks and get yourself an onsite guide and get out there. Your need the 18th edition and ecs health and safety exam to renew your JIB card to the current Gold Card to get on a lot of sites now. The better sites anyway.
 

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I dont know where you got 29 years from. I accept your somewhat grudging apology. I am not entirely stupid. I was in the game for 20 + years and I am not expecting to sit the exam and all will be great. I am 20 years older and will take time to readjust to what has no doubt been a dramatic change over the last 20 years. However I am going to re qualify and I will try to get work as a mate until I can find my feet again. Assuming that I would just carry on as if the last 20 years had not happened is ridiculous.
Going back to my reply, I did what you are proposing you intending to do :D. Do some courses, as suggested. Then do some subbying for other contractors, learn your skills again, pick up recent techniques and latest materials.
 
I'm in a similar situation. I'm also time served and have the old City & Guilds (applied for a copy certificate as lost the original). I've been out of the game since 2000 but not completely as whilst living in France I've done 3 house refurbs and kept my hand in. My intention is to do a part P course and take the exam, complete an 18th edition course and do the exam. I will then consider my options from there. I will probably apply to some scheme to be assessed just to prove it to myself that I am "up to date". You can get back in the game it might just require some studying and a couple of exams.
 

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I'm in a similar situation. I'm also time served and have the old City & Guilds (applied for a copy certificate as lost the original). I've been out of the game since 2000 but not completely as whilst living in France I've done 3 house refurbs and kept my hand in. My intention is to do a part P course and take the exam, complete an 18th edition course and do the exam. I will then consider my options from there. I will probably apply to some scheme to be assessed just to prove it to myself that I am "up to date". You can get back in the game it might just require some studying and a couple of exams.
A "part P" course is just a building regs awareness course. You can download all of the building regulation approved documents for free and/or buy an IET book called the electrician's guide to the building regulations for much cheaper.
 

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A "part P" course is just a building regs awareness course. You can download all of the building regulation approved documents for free and/or buy an IET book called the electrician's guide to the building regulations for much cheaper.
Kinda agree with Andy. I did a one day 'Part P' course which I tagged onto the end of my initial testing inspection course. It was interesting to go over all the other Building Regs, not just P. But it was just a quickie look, only so much you can do in a day. Can't remember how much I paid, but I would do one just on its own.
 
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20 years on from last working as an electrician. I have just passed my 18th edition. Do I need part P?. Also do I need the test and inspection ticket to sign my own work off. It's getting bloody expensive and I have yet to earn a single penny. In your opinion, what is the best way for me to get back into the swing of things. I know things are different to 20 years ago so I need to update my skills.
 

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Neil,you well know that electrical theory does not change, in that respect unless you have one very bad case of memory fade you will be fine

Practically you may be a little rusty, working alongside another spark seems like a sensible thing to do, both for your confidence and to become familiar with any important changes that can be highlighted
However,the crux of the matter is that your training and your experience will most likely far exceed what is accepted nowadays in this trade

Try not to underestimate what standard you likely bring to the table
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20 years on from last working as an electrician. I have just passed my 18th edition. Do I need part P?. Also do I need the test and inspection ticket to sign my own work off. It's getting bloody expensive and I have yet to earn a single penny. In your opinion, what is the best way for me to get back into the swing of things. I know things are different to 20 years ago so I need to update my skills.
It depends on what work you'll be taking on. If the lions share is domestic, you'll need to join a Scheme. They will like you to have an NVQ3 qually or similar, inspection & testing qual as well.

As said before, I did something very similar to yourself, cost a lot and didn't work out for me. Think long & hard; lots of competition out there, and some of your domestic customer's will be expecting very cheap quotations.
 
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