Socket above sink, tiny room, nowhere else to put it.

[electricshock]

Basically a tiny room as wide as the sink has a sink fitted and a socket above it.

There is not enough space to move it anywhere else, what should be done.

Its for an industrial EICR

 

[telectrix]

code C2, IMO or blank it off.

 

[electricshock]

so there is noway i can pass it by leaving it there. This is there kitchen. They plug kettle in. What if it was moved higher up. How high would i need to move it to pass the EICR

 

[telectrix]

get them to plug it in the next room. IMO as it is they could have the kettle plugged in while filling it. it could be dropped in the sink full of water. get rid.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Leave it where is, advise a sign gets put up stating not to use sink and socket at same time, its in a factory, they can be trained instructed persons, or swap it for a MK masterseal one.

 

[Silly Sausage]

...or maybe replace it with an RCD socket?

 

[telectrix]

if the socket is above the sink, where does the kettle sit when it's plugged in? on the taps?

 

[Silly Sausage]

if the socket is above the sink, where does the kettle sit when it's plugged in? on the taps?

I was wondering that, must have a drainer bit on it.
Just noticed it's EICR, like Tel, give it a C2 and let them sort it out with the other 2 or 3 pages of problems.

 

[electricshock]

its a kitchen sink, so you have the side to pput your wet plates to dry. thats where it sits

 

[telectrix]

with wet plates dripping on the base if it's cordless. i stand by my original post code 2. unsatisfactory.

 

[electricshock]

im more concerned with what i can do to make it safe and leaving a socket there for them to use. If i change it to rcd socket, would that be a pass

 

[telectrix]

blank it. get them to plug in elsewhere.

 

[needasparks]

Leave it where is, advise a sign gets put up stating not to use sink and socket at same time, its in a factory, they can be trained instructed persons, or swap it for a MK masterseal one.

this would not stop it getting dropped in sink though, poor design really so as others have said, next room would be best. In saying that I bet your suggestion won't go down well so best to just explain the regulation and give them the problem to decide whats best, that way its them telling you to move it not the other way round rather than you looking the bad guy.

 

[Silly Sausage]

im more concerned with what i can do to make it safe and leaving a socket there for them to use. If i change it to rcd socket, would that be a pass

I assume it's your name going on the certs.
You're obviously in doubt & it'll be worrying you.
Do as Tel says and relax!

 

[electricshock]

yes, you guys are right. il just blank it and say you cant have it here. Plug it in the next room. itll make it easy for me.

 

[lauriehurman]

It's not a kitchen.
A kitchen has a food preparation area.
It's just a sink and has no special status (as far as I know).

That doesn't mean it's safe it just means it's not illegal.

Laurie

 

[telectrix]

doesn't matter it's not a kitchen, a sink is a sink.

 

[bencrockett15]

its zone 0, surely you cant put it there

 

[Bubblecraft]

I'm with the majority. Blank it. You'll sleep better at night!


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[Adam W]

It's not a kitchen.
A kitchen has a food preparation area.
It's just a sink and has no special status (as far as I know).

That doesn't mean it's safe it just means it's not illegal.

Laurie

The building regs define a kitchen as 'a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities'.
'Facilities' doesn't necessarily have to be an 'area' - you could still prepare a pot noodle on the draining board (which is highly likely in this situation) and in fact that is where the kettle is being stood.

As per the building regs "accessories should be installed a minimum of 300mm from the edge of kitchen sinks and draining boards to reduce the risk of being splashed".
'Directly behind the sink' is not 300mm from the edge of the sink and draining board.
Either the socket or the sink should be moved so they are at least 300mm from each other.

 

[electricshock]

I could put the socket 300mm above the sink and still have the kettle on the sink. Would that become legal but obviously still not safe.

 

[electricshock]

Customer refuses to have socket blanked above sink.

 

[RISElectrical]

Then customer gets unsatisfactory EICR.... simples.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Is it a cordless kettle?

If it is, small shelf about 400mm high clip kettle cord for base or screw base to shelf so cannot be moved and use a masterseal plug, job done. No one get hurt unless they intentionally removed the cable clips or base from shelf and puts in water.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Is the plug above the drainer or the bowl?

How high is it from the sink?

Its and EICR so code 2 it, but advise what I put above.

 

[telectrix]

but don'r drill through the socket cable when fixing the shelf up.:73:

 

[Adam W]

I think trying to come up with ingenious ways to make the existing situation 'legal' is the wrong way of going about it.

So this is a factory? How many people work there and are therefore likely to be using this "kitchen"?
Secondly where do the staff go to consume what they have produced in this "kitchen"? Do they all try to cram into what it sounds like was intended as a cleaners' cupboard during their breaks?
Is this more of a 'sweat shop' than a factory, in which case why are they even taking breaks?

Without seeing the place I am going to guess that they have some kind of 'canteen' or 'break room' where everyone sits at break time, probably with a microwave in it, in which case I would suggest putting the kettle there. Maybe even the sink as well, and go back to using the old "kitchen" as a cleaners' cupboard, but the socket behind the sink still has to go.

 

[electricshock]

i hav replaced the socket with rcd socket and just mentiond it on the cert.