Thank you scheme providers. You are destroying a once respected trade.

[Knobhead]

I’m getting fed up with my own voice on this subject.

The only way for this trade to redeem it’s self is by a national register. It would take government intervention to do it.
A reasonable minimum level of qualifications before you are licensed to practice you’re trade.

It would kill the scams off over night. No more selling accreditation, if you’re not on the register you can not trade alone.

It will never happen, there would be a flood of Electrical Trainee’s queuing up at the job centre the next day.
Part “P” was an ill thought out knee jerk. It hasn’t raised standard, it’s another “cash cow” to be milked.

A national register works very well in other countries, why not here? Profiteering could have something to do with it. The scams and training organisation would be greasing politicians pockets to stop it.

The C&G needs a bomb under it along with the IET. Nothing but money grubbing leaches. Maintaining standards? All they are doing is maintaining their living standards.
The standard of examinations has been lowered to suit the pass rate.

Training is a farce as proved by the thread on the AM2 course. A three year old can play “join the dots!”


I’m retired from heavy engineering as are a lot of my counterparts, what is being done to replace us. Train more useless DI’s.
This country needs manufacturing not house building!


I was once proud of this industry, it makes me ashamed now.


If you’re upset with what I say you must be amongst the ones not qualified for a national register.

 

[stuartcourt]

or someone who was never any good at join the dots :cheesy:

 

[stuartcourt]

night all

 

[ipf]

I’m getting fed up with my own voice on this subject.

The only way for this trade to redeem it’s self is by a national register. It would take government intervention to do it.
A reasonable minimum level of qualifications before you are licensed to practice you’re trade.

It would kill the scams off over night. No more selling accreditation, if you’re not on the register you can not trade alone.

It will never happen, there would be a flood of Electrical Trainee’s queuing up at the job centre the next day.
Part “P” was an ill thought out knee jerk. It hasn’t raised standard, it’s another “cash cow” to be milked.

A national register works very well in other countries, why not here? Profiteering could have something to do with it. The scams and training organisation would be greasing politicians pockets to stop it.

The C&G needs a bomb under it along with the IET. Nothing but money grubbing leaches. Maintaining standards? All they are doing is maintaining their living standards.
The standard of examinations has been lowered to suit the pass rate.

Training is a farce as proved by the thread on the AM2 course. A three year old can play “join the dots!”


I’m retired from heavy engineering as are a lot of my counterparts, what is being done to replace us. Train more useless DI’s.
This country needs manufacturing not house building!


I was once proud of this industry, it makes me ashamed now.


If you’re upset with what I say you must be amongst the ones not qualified for a national register.

Very true. But most of the leaches aren't even fit for domestic work.

Makes me ashamed, too.

 

[Geordie Spark]

and a prime example of this was the old 2391.....
time n time again when you look at the chief examiners reports for this exam its all about wrong terminology, no understanding about choice & setting of OPDs, no concept of earth paths.....ect ect...
clearly many candidates that were being accepted to take this exam were simply not at the level (at that time in their development) to stand any real chance of success.
thats when you get cross and start to realise its all about getting arses on seats....not about the quality of the candidates they turn out or the chances of success of said candidates...
dispicable...it really is....

It's dEspicable Glenn ....... with an "e" ........it's important to use the correct terminology!!

 

[Knobhead]

and a prime example of this was the old 2391.....
time n time again when you look at the chief examiners reports for this exam its all about wrong terminology, no understanding about choice & setting of OPDs, no concept of earth paths.....ect ect...
clearly many candidates that were being accepted to take this exam were simply not at the level (at that time in their development) to stand any real chance of success.
thats when you get cross and start to realise its all about getting arses on seats....not about the quality of the candidates they turn out or the chances of success of said candidates...
dispicable...it really is....

Terminology is a very moot point.

Unfortunately gone are the days of the examination adjudicators knowing the subject.

They would check you’re calculation method, give you an extra point if you got it right.

Engineering principals was a swine of an exam, add advanced mathematics, test methods and reliability, technical drawing. All in the space of a fortnight!

I felt like I’d been run over by a steam roller!

 

[Octopus]

its just the scenareo thats all...
the scams inform HMRC about any notifyable jobs....probably half the reason they were set up in the first place.....
but as you says Murdoch...its them thats doing cash in hand stuff, thats not certing their work and that claim their registered with a scheme.....when I know they damned well arn`t....they are the ones who are pisin me of...
you know who you are....[/QUOTE]

Time to call HMRC???

 

[Tridentsystems]

My scheme assessor was a retired plumber

 

[baldsparkies]

So the year is 1972. You are working for a large engineering company who have there own electrical department.
They take you on as an apprentice and you work along side time served qualified electricians, who are many years your senior.
You attend day release at college and cover a C&G 236 three year course in electrical intallations. At the end of that time you have covered a wealth of practical experience, mainly by men you respect, and know the trade profficiently.
You decide to attend the C certificate course two evenings a week for a further two years and recieve technicians status.
Later in life other courses come up 16th edition, 17th edition, and then theres the 2391.
As a JIB member you apply for and recieve the JIB gold card at approved status.
And then theres your schem providor saying your the qualifying officer.
Your responsibilities through the years have also resulted in a JIB platinum sight managers card.
40 years later, and you your asking yourself what was it all about ??
Because after all that your not a Part P electrician.
Just sharing where and what I am. And wondering even now what makes these guys qualified ???????????

 

[GLENNSPARK]

its just the scenareo thats all...
the scams inform HMRC about any notifyable jobs....probably half the reason they were set up in the first place.....
but as you says Murdoch...its them thats doing cash in hand stuff, thats not certing their work and that claim their registered with a scheme.....when I know they damned well arn`t....they are the ones who are pisin me of...
you know who you are....[/QUOTE]

Time to call HMRC???

i`m that close Murdoch...i really am....
and like i says...i doubt he`s got any public liability either....
carrying out works in/on other folk`s property without the necessary insurance to cover it if it all goes arse up....grrrrr..