Help with new regs regarding mini trunking.

[Kyran]

Hi all


As yet i don’t have the new regs book so I thought i would post my question.


I have a client that manages a block of flats. Its a mid 80s block that has one entrance/exit. As you walk in the font door the clients wants the current lights to come on as walk in. which is fine i was just going to put a directional PIR up over the door as the lights need also to come on when the residents open there doors and walk in to the hall way, which is the other end of the hall way to the front door.


Now in order to get the PIR up over the door I will need to run a cable along the ceiling from the first light that has the permanent live. Normally you would could just put the cable inside some mini trunking. But I know that in the new regs there has been some changes to its allowed use, i.e. as the mini turning melts in a fire the cables drop and there have been case when is hindered firemen. Now what is the permitted way to hold a cable to the ceiling so that in a fire it does not dip down. The distance is only about 2m but it would be right over the door.


Can anyone help tell me whats can be use.


Thank you

 

[KFH]

You can get some clips that fit inside the trunking to hold the cables in place in the event of the trunking melting. Not had to fit any yet so have no idea about availability, try your wholesaler. Alternatively try steel conduit or plastic with steel saddles. But you need to check if these will meet the regs.

 

[Kyran]

I only to spoke to the client on saturday and have not got around to buying one yet. i just thought some one might help out thats all.

 

[telectrix]

suggest fit white FP200 with p clips.

 

[Plonker 3]

I only to spoke to the client on saturday and have not got around to buying one yet. i just thought some one might help out thats all.

You want your work to comply with the BYB, you need to purchase a copy, there are alot changes than just this you know.

 

[Kyran]

You want your work to comply with the BYB, you need to purchase a copy, there are alot changes than just this you know.

Yes i know there a lot of change, and yes i will be buying one. just thought i would ask.

 

[telectrix]

is it concrete with no void?

 

[Kyran]

is it concrete with no void?

As far as i know its a concrete ceiling/floor with a small plaster board void. The lights are attached to the plaster board.

 

[HandySparks]

For mini trunking, these look suitable. I'm sure that there will be others.

Fire-Hold YT2 trunking clips Pre-galvanised - Elsie Fixings

 

[Kyran]

For mini trunking, these look suitable. I'm sure that there will be others.

Fire-Hold YT2 trunking clips Pre-galvanised - Elsie Fixings

This look like it will do the job. the state complaints which is good. Thank you for the pointer..

 

[Edd]

Yes i know there a lot of change, and yes i will be buying one. just thought i would ask.

You should know better than to ask a relevant electrical question on an electricians forum.

 

[Plonker 3]

You should know better than to ask a relevant electrical question on an electricians forum.

So I have wasted my money buying and time looking up relevant things in the regs when I can just ask for the info on here?

Get a grip, if you want to know things buy it read it and ask questions then. Is it any wonder the trade is going down the pan with that sort of attitude?

 

[Kyran]

Thank you DillB i agree with your comment. I post questions on this forum room because I believe that the people that reply are people that are in the industry, and not just one of those DIY forums that everyone just likes to comment of why you ask. We all have different levels of knowledge and experiance to share. that hopeful we can all gain form it. As long as people don't try and free load.

 

[driverman]

I would of thought you were still very happy and on a high Dillb, after the very unexpected result last weekend! lol

 

[telectrix]

What result was that?

 

[D Skelton]

What result was that?

He got his all clear for chlamydia

 

[telectrix]

very good i can never spell clam/chalm. clamdia. oh bollox..... POX.

 

[ImpededLoop]

I think the OP's question is quite resonable. The BGB is still permitted to be used for design but the OP has heard of requirements in the new BYB which he/she wants to comply with. If this question had been asked in August 2015 then I agree that the OP would have been pushing their luck without owning the new book.

It's not like the OP is asking the forum to size a cable or to solve an RCD fault.

To answer the question, P clips are probably how I would do it.

 

[DPG]

Of all the forums I use this has got to be the most unfriendly one going. Sorry, but are we trying to scare people off here? I know people should have the new regs, but it was still a reasonable question to see what peoples thoughts were. Well done to the people that suggested the metal clips, etc. Maybe not everyone is aware of these. Daz

 

[DPG]

He's only trying to help, I don't see the problem here. He's suggested looking at these clips that's all. Daz

 

[Maddison]

why is it wrong for him to ask a question because he hasnt got a new update yet ?..

 

[Brightspark2]

We could of said that when you was asking for the information on emergency lighting periodic testing not too long ago...

 

[DPG]

There's no problem in him asking, that's why Tel, KFH and Handysparks all gave constructive replies, rather than pointless offensive ones. I've not seen the wire-type clips either so it was helpful for me as well. Daz

 

[Plonker 3]

We could of said that when you was asking for the information on emergency lighting periodic testing not too long ago...

The OP admitted to knowing of the publication, if someone had told me to obtain a copy i would have taken the advice and followed it up accordingly.

 

[Plonker 3]

There's no problem in him asking, that's why Tel, KFH and Handysparks all gave constructive replies, rather than pointless offensive ones. I've not seen the wire-type clips either so it was helpful for me as well. Daz

Well give them all a gold star for being star pupils, well done them. I hope they continue to carry on like that so i wont have to actually think about anything again or buy any more publications of books that may need in the future

 

[ImpededLoop]

With respect, I think that in this case the OP has an awareness of the new regulation and was just trying to meet the requirements with his new work. As the BGB is still accepted, he could have just said nothing and slung in some MT2, got paid and driven off content that he'd completed the job in a compliant way.

I agree with you that every installer should read and understand the relevant regulations for themselves, but we're talking about a few cable clips here, not anything too complex.

 

[DPG]

Well give them all a gold star for being star pupils, well done them. I hope they continue to carry on like that so i wont have to actually think about anything again or buy any more publications of books that may need in the future

Jeez Dillb I don't know why you bother posting on here - your replies are mostly offensive and rarely helpful. Daz

 

[Plonker 3]

Jeez Dillb I don't know why you bother posting on here - your replies are mostly offensive and rarely helpful. Daz

Please post up any offensive posts i have made, if you cant please remove this comment.

 

[DPG]

Well I've just searched the first page or two of your forum posts and I can't see many helpful ones It's all there. Daz

 

[D Skelton]

Ooooooooooooooooooooh...

My old man's a dustman he wears a dustman's hat, he wears 'cor blimey' trousers and he lives in a council flat...

 

[DPG]

A council flat wired in MT2 with wire clips? Daz

 

[Plonker 3]

Well I've just searched the first page or two of your forum posts and I can't see many helpful ones It's all there. Daz

Anything offensive as i requested?

 

[telectrix]

A council flat wired in MT2 with wire clips? Daz

what's wrong with sticky back?

 

[DPG]

Anything offensive as i requested?

OK you win, they are nearly all unhelpful but only slightly offensive. I apologise. Daz

 

[telectrix]

i would not say offensive, just a bit bolshie. must be his time of the month. :ack2:

 

[spark 68]

Come on guys, chill, it is only a forum , :chillpill:

Now about my RCD tripping....... would the size of my shower cable affect this, I need to know cos I can't be assed to test it..... :ihih:

 

[telectrix]

Come on guys, chill, it is only a forum , :chillpill:

Now about my RCD tripping....... would the size of my shower cable affect this, I need to know cos I can't be assed to test it..... :ihih:

it's times like this i wish i had an unlike button. :49:

 

[ImpededLoop]

Now about my RCD tripping....... would the size of my shower cable affect this, I need to know cos I can't be assed to test it..... :ihih:

I'll pop round now and fix it for you for free... It's quicker than typing a reply!

 

[Guest125]

Have you got your BYB yet?

 

[Guest125]

Of all the forums I use this has got to be the most unfriendly one going. Sorry, but are we trying to scare people off here? I know people should have the new regs, but it was still a reasonable question to see what peoples thoughts were. Well done to the people that suggested the metal clips, etc. Maybe not everyone is aware of these. Daz

May as well call it Facebook if we are not allowed to talk about electrical topics. Every question on here could be answered with "go and find the answer yourself'. People get brave behind a keyboard.