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I'm considering buying a home battery storage solution and read that with 3kWh feed you can only charge 12kW during the 4 hour Octopus Go off-peak window, which makes sense.

Is it the mains supply, battery or inverter that bottlenecks this 3kWh? I've read some batteries (or was it inverters?!) allow 6kWh charge/discharge so would this allow 24kW to be charged in 4 hours?

Thanks in advance
Ross
 
Are you mathematically adept? It will help if you are to do the analysis of your question.

In fact I will not answer your question because it is simply yes, yes and yes. One needs to be careful in the domestic setting about schemes to store electricity in useful amounts in batteries because it has high capital costs. Thus one has to be convinced that the return on this capital investment is better than something else you could do with the same expenditure. Folk often do not factor in replacing the batteries, housing the installation, equipment defects and repair, under utilisation ie you do not take advantage often enough of the saving you have attempted to make by your investment worthwhile.

On the green agenda I have not seen any scheme to sustainably shift towards batteries by recycling or reusing them. You can search on line and find firms which will offer you batteries previously loved in ev cars but their performance, quality and reliability is vague.

Unless you really can demonstrate it is a good investment then I would caution against storing mains power during off peak periods for use during expensive periods. The analysis I did last month for my home did not convince me - but I am fallible.

If you have solar power in excess there is some merit in storing some of it if you can reliably use it in quantity later and thereby avoid that consumption from the mains and the economic saving justifies the capital expenditure.

A great combo for solar pv is with air conditioning - which is the West Coast of USA experience.

I like others moan about the daily standing charge which has gone up. I think it is about 20p for us each day. But put in perspective, for that 20p I have access to a supply of up to 12kW every second, every hour, every day........I'd find that impossible to achieve for 20p a day at a reliability of something like 99.9%. My mum and dad in a Northern town have never in 20 years had a power cut. We get about one 5 minute power cut a year in winter. You would find it hard to invest yourself for your requirement to achieve those levels of availability and reliability and capacity of electricity. You could invest in being largely off-grid but be prepared to change your behaviours and life-style in your consumption - these have costs/implications too.

Food for thought. I do not have time I am afraid for a discussion.
 
Are you mathematically adept? It will help if you are to do the analysis of your question.

In fact I will not answer your question because it is simply yes, yes and yes. One needs to be careful in the domestic setting about schemes to store electricity in useful amounts in batteries because it has high capital costs. Thus one has to be convinced that the return on this capital investment is better than something else you could do with the same expenditure. Folk often do not factor in replacing the batteries, housing the installation, equipment defects and repair, under utilisation ie you do not take advantage often enough of the saving you have attempted to make by your investment worthwhile.

On the green agenda I have not seen any scheme to sustainably shift towards batteries by recycling or reusing them. You can search on line and find firms which will offer you batteries previously loved in ev cars but their performance, quality and reliability is vague.

Unless you really can demonstrate it is a good investment then I would caution against storing mains power during off peak periods for use during expensive periods. The analysis I did last month for my home did not convince me - but I am fallible.

If you have solar power in excess there is some merit in storing some of it if you can reliably use it in quantity later and thereby avoid that consumption from the mains and the economic saving justifies the capital expenditure.

A great combo for solar pv is with air conditioning - which is the West Coast of USA experience.

I like others moan about the daily standing charge which has gone up. I think it is about 20p for us each day. But put in perspective, for that 20p I have access to a supply of up to 12kW every second, every hour, every day........I'd find that impossible to achieve for 20p a day at a reliability of something like 99.9%. My mum and dad in a Northern town have never in 20 years had a power cut. We get about one 5 minute power cut a year in winter. You would find it hard to invest yourself for your requirement to achieve those levels of availability and reliability and capacity of electricity. You could invest in being largely off-grid but be prepared to change your behaviours and life-style in your consumption - these have costs/implications too.

Food for thought. I do not have time I am afraid for a discussion.
Thanks Marconi - you're not from Chelmsford are you, the birthplace of radio?

I've done the math on Solar PV, Solar PV + storage and storage alone. For me, Solar PV is pointless if I can't use the energy during the day, selling back is pennies. Adding batteries increases the cost but you get to charge them for free which is great if you use 31p a unit for your ROI calcs, but as you can charge the batteries off-peak for 7.5p a unit I don't think this is an accurate way to do it. Which made me think, why don't I sack of Solar PV and just go for a pure battery storage solution.

I use 558.0kWh per month or ~19kWh per day. At 16.1p a unit that's ~£90 a month. When that jumps to ~31p a unit I'm looking at ~£173 a month. If I get an 18kW battery, and charge it at 7.5p a unit, that's ~25% of what I'm paying peak rate so ~£43.25 a month. That's a theoretical saving of ~£129.75 a month, ~£1557 a year. I'd like to think that ROI could be recouped in 5 years. I've seen a complete 16.4KW GivEnergy kit for £6138 inc VAT. That's a 10 year warranty and 6000 cycle discharge which is ~16 years if you fully charge/discharge once a day.

For me, taking the green/carbon aspect away, battery storage seems to be the most efficient way of getting a ROI.
 
When I did the calculation I factored in depreciation in order that after the assumed life one could renew the capital equipment especially the battery, and installation costs. And net present value to account for inflation. Would you keep us informed on how you get on please? Pictures are always good to look at.

Octopus seem to offer the most innovative tariffs at the moment. I had a quick look at Givenergy; they appear teamed with Octopus which is promising.

I will do my sums again using Givenergy products - thank you :)
 
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When I did the calculation I factored in depreciation in order that after the assumed life one could renew the capital equipment especially the battery, and installation costs. And net present value to account for inflation. Would you keep us informed on how you get on please? Pictures are always good to look at.

Octopus seem to offer the most innovative tariffs at the moment. I had a quick look at Givenergy; they appear teamed with Octopus which is promising.

I will do my sums again using Givenergy products - thank you :)
For anyone who finds the thread and would like to know how it pans out... I've pulled the trigger on a Solar PV & Battery Storage solution.
12x Hyundai 410kW panels (25yr product & efficiency warranty!)
12x Tigo optimisers
LUX 5kW Inverter
12kW Storage
Comes in at £10,150 installed.
I'll post again once I've had it installed and again when it's run for a month or two.
 

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