Industrial EICR Pricing

[Retroelectric]

Hi all,
Been asked to quote an EICR on a fairly large installation.
Approx. 400 circuits that are a mixture of single and 3 phase.
This is across 28 consumer units, in addition to the above there are also 6 distribution consumer units for the submains, and 12 feeder pillar boards (4way)
Building is a fairly new installation (10 years ish ) and it all looks pretty well labeled up and charts etc. are at each dis board.
Was thinking along the lines of £20 per circuit?
I may have to factor in out of hours testing on some of the circuits but unsure at this stage how many.
Not desperate to get the job but want to put in a reasonable price as some of the online EICR prices seem to be a joke how cheap they can do them for.
Just wondering if I seem to expensive or too cheap at that rate for so many circuits?
Thanks

 

[westward10]

28 consumer units in an industrial setting?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Hi all,
Been asked to quote an EICR on a fairly large installation.
Approx. 400 circuits that are a mixture of single and 3 phase.
This is across 28 consumer units, in addition to the above there are also 6 distribution consumer units for the submains, and 12 feeder pillar boards (4way)
Building is a fairly new installation (10 years ish ) and it all looks pretty well labeled up and charts etc. are at each dis board.
Was thinking along the lines of £20 per circuit?
I may have to factor in out of hours testing on some of the circuits but unsure at this stage how many.
Not desperate to get the job but want to put in a reasonable price as some of the online EICR prices seem to be a joke how cheap they can do them for.
Just wondering if I seem to expensive or too cheap at that rate for so many circuits?
Thanks

So much with thise kind of job is how bad you want to do it and how it will impact other work you have on

I would say 20-22£ per circuit puts you in the ball park, I wouldn't even bother for less

 

[Retroelectric]

28 consumer units in an industrial setting?

Yes, they are split over 3 different units on the same complex.
Intake is next to transformer then splits off to units.

 

[westward10]

Consumer units or distribution boards?
Quote a consumer unit in the Report when it is actually a distribution board wouldn't be a great start. Is it industrial or commercial.

 

[Retroelectric]

Its Industrial.
28 - consumer units for machines, sockets, lighting etc
6 - units for the submains to these boards

 

[westward10]

This is what is commonly known as a consumer unit, you are saying machines are run from these.

10 Way Metal Dual Split RCD Consumer Unit 63A RCDs (Type AC) + 10 MCBs | MK_Sentry (Y7666SMET)

 

[Retroelectric]

No, Apologies.
Most are 12 way 3 phase Distribution Boards

 

[westward10]

Have you ever done anything like this before, industrial installations need a lot of planning unless it is on a shutdown.

 

[Retroelectric]

I have done quite a lot of industrial testing over the years although they have not had as many boards as this one, I think the most I have had over the past couple of years was a unit with five 3 phase boards in it.
Normally I have a word with whoever is in charge about what needs to stay on and see if there is a opportunity to do these during tea break / lunch etc. or when it is are not being used for an hour or so.
Normally I have enough other stuff to get on with while I'm waiting and hit these circuits when I can, although I have had to go back previously and finish some I could not isolate out of hours when they were shut down.

 

[Retroelectric]

If anyone is interested how this turned out.
I did not get the job
I went in about £20.00 per circuit (408 Circuit's) and said I would be there over a month.
They had a quote for £2,200 that they went with, as there were 2 guys and they did it over 4 days!!!
Not sure I could, or would want compete with that!

 

[westward10]

I'm afraid our trade is infested by companies testing 50+ circuits per person by day. The content of the Report will be worthless but they are just chasing the money, big companies undercutting each other without realising they are actually cutting their own throats.
The people on site would be under pressure to bang out x circuits a day and LIM as necessary.

 

[ipf]

If anyone is interested how this turned out.
I did not get the job
I went in about £20.00 per circuit (408 Circuit's) and said I would be there over a month.
They had a quote for £2,200 that they went with, as there were 2 guys and they did it over 4 days!!!
Not sure I could, or would want compete with that!

It really is pathetic......and disgusting for the trade.
For a proper report it would cost that for the paperwork alone, from scratch, with circuits listed.
28 boards involved, you're talking about 70 odd pages, at least....and that's without defect lists.
OK, it seems you've got DB schedules but it's still a lot. Newish, I suppose but things can't half change in 10 years.

 

[littlespark]

Whether it’s 10 years old or 60 years old, the testing time should be the same.

Maybe a bit longer if you’re having to trace unmarked circuits, but that can happen with a new place too.

More time writing up the report if there’s a lot of observations… but generally speaking, the act of testing on site should take the same time.

Unless you’re just missing out half the circuits, writing down a load of rubbish and LIM anything that looks too difficult.


If customers knew what was involved they might be more inclined to skip the cheaper option, but they would rather think a more expensive quote was someone trying to rip them off, rather than the cheaper guy not doing the work right.

End of the day, they get they’re nice clean EICR and wonder what all the fuss was turning off lights and whatever…

 

[rewireIT]

Wouldn't have done it for less than about 10 grand. Industrial complexes will pay upwards of 15 grand for a machine move which can take only a couple of days.

 

[ipf]

Whether it’s 10 years old or 60 years old, the testing time should be the same.

Everything straightforward yes, but It's all about opinion....and that's yours.
Jobs can be massively different and we all have our own methods.

 

[Dustydazzler]

If anyone is interested how this turned out.
I did not get the job
I went in about £20.00 per circuit (408 Circuit's) and said I would be there over a month.
They had a quote for £2,200 that they went with, as there were 2 guys and they did it over 4 days!!!
Not sure I could, or would want compete with that!

4 days!!!!

they dragged that one out

 

[davesparks]

I'm afraid our trade is infested by companies testing 50+ circuits per person by day. The content of the Report will be worthless but they are just chasing the money, big companies undercutting each other without realising they are actually cutting their own throats.
The people on site would be under pressure to bang out x circuits a day and LIM as necessary.

I've been doing the remedials from someone else's EICR rcently and every ring final has been given an FI - needs ring circuit tests. Absolutely ridiculous

 

[pc1966]

I've been doing the remedials from someone else's EICR rcently and every ring final has been given an FI - needs ring circuit tests. Absolutely ridiculous

Was the EICR also soft, strong, and absorbent?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Back in the day I worked with a company and we did loads of EICRs of big offices, factories etc
If we were given previous PIRs don by others I would say 9 times out of 10 they were a load of rubbish and literally only use was to wipe your arse with it.
The whole EICR / PIR side of this industry really needs a shake up Imo

 

[Retroelectric]

I think some of the rates for EICR testing that you see on the web are stupidly low, hope it doesn't turn into what PAT testing is.
I have been behind a few testers who were there under an hour, according to owner or tenant, and they seem to want to change the CU as a cure all for the failed test.
Have attached a few sheets of EICR test another company has done on a non residential property, and again CU cures all but what do you think of the test results or lack of?
I have told them I could not price the remedial s without carrying out another EICR first.

Sorry if this post has evolved and hope its ok but will delete if needed.

 

[westward10]

Too late is has turned into what PAT is. Big companies have zero interest in quality of work it is about the £s, they are out their undercutting each other to get contracts and the result is low prices for very low quality work.

 

[ipf]

Too late is has turned into what PAT is. Big companies have zero interest in quality of work it is about the £s, they are out their undercutting each other to get contracts and the result is low prices for very low quality work.

Ever come across the massive Bureau Veritas?