Joint cables inside back box?

[jwb]

im a qualified electrician! the original socket is far too high above the worktops, just all needs re-jigging really

thanks guys!

also, i came across a lighting junction box under the floorboards.. all the terminals inside were being used by live/neturals and so someone has brought the earths OUTSIDE the jb and put them all into a chock block.. anyone ever seen this done? hmmmmmmmm

yep, many times; and possibly even worse, cpc's taken out of the jb and simply twisted together. either of these examples are not that uncommon in installations erected around the 1970's

 

[bollax]

You stole my thunder Lucas, there is no reason why a none serviceable joint shouldn't be plastered over within the safe zone ofc.

 

[Poptasticdave]

Yes, but they didn't bother to use strip connector - just twisted the CPC together. Ho hum.

Yup, tying together various threads, all the joints, CPC and current-carrying, in my parents' 1950's semi were twisted in "Screwits" in the lighting circuits on the switch-wires.

I get the impression that in times gone by this was "normal" and maybe not even against regs pre 15th Ed (the earliest I was qual'd to)?

 

[Dave 85]

Now excuse me If I'm wrong but everyone moaning about kitchen fitters drilling their cables, you do measure out a kitchen with all the units so you KNOW where they unit fixing lines are? If you don't then it's kinda your fault but if not no worries

Too right. All this 'kitchen fitters are stupid' talk is pretty sad if you ask me. Its a bit like electronics engineers spending their lives banging on about how stupid electricians are.
Kitchen fitting is more about skill and craftsmanship, electrical work is more about knowledge. So what.....

Personally I have no repsect for a sparky who prances around a building site pretending to be superior to other trades simply becasue his training involved a bit of GCSE level maths and physics.

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[Dave 85]

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[mazdaman]

I agree why is a so claimed 'qualified electrician' asking how to extend a circuit in a simple domestic situation????
There are many DIYer's who will know that one!! I some times worry about the quality of electricians these days.

 

[Miketwinny]

BS7671 App:15

 

[Miketwinny]

BS7671 App:15
Can only spur 1 double socket off another double socket which is on a RFC.
Will have to extend the ring useing acceptable connections or turn the double socket into a FCU and spur off that.

 

[Generator]

Can someone define a "maintenance free" connection, and how that's achieved? I've seen so many overheated joints -
choc blocks, ceramic twist on joints, taped up twisted wires, crimps, ........ The best place for a joint is at a socket outlet or spur unit, if at all possible. Soldering (properly) is the only other permanent form I can think of, and even that needs durable insulation ( how many years does it take before pvc tape goes all snotty? - quite a few but it's not permanent).
Through crimps do have different current ratings, and need the correct die to be foolproof. How often have you tugged on a wire and pulled it out of the crimp?

 

[randym68]

just to put my 2p in

mfctitch lol just shows you don't know what being electrician is about, Its not so much what you do but what you don't do......if you think its connecting wires.....explain power factors, and Zs please, as ive read all these posts and not one person has mentioned Zs, loads, lenth of RFC , volts drop , or IR tests, this is why you need to be qualified, & certified & competent person, not just any of these, certified to self inspect and test and notify. thats the difference. and to all, part p has very very restricted work they can complete, things like spurs, and bonding (its designed for associated trades such as plumbers) ....fully approved electrician, is a different thing. and understand much much more.

if anyone don't think so please explain how you balance a polyphase supply with old florescent lamps , ( no power factor correction) lol