Minor Works Cert & Bonding

[Spunkywads26]

Hi All, me again.

I quoted a small job in a landlords house. The CU is located in a cupboard under the staircase and has rammed with the tenants rubbish. I asked the landlord what type of CU was in there and he told me it was replaced 2 years ago for an RCD board. I moved abit of stuff and found a split load dual RCD Crabtree board.

A week later I came back to start the job and cleared out the cupboard. The Gas meter is in the same cupboard and the bonding clamp is 1200mm away from the meter. The bonding clamp on the water pipe is situated on a branch from the stop tap.

Now I have not quoted for this to be rectified as I naively thought that if a CU was changed 2 years ago the spark would have sorted this too. I would also assume that this was notified so where do/can I go from here? I dont want to put my name to this problem on my MWC so can I list this as a departure from regs?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Why don't you just move it? Moving it 600mm is hardly going to break the bank is it?

 

[Pete999]

What work are you issuing a MNW cert for ??

 

[westward10]

I wouldn't bother main thing is that it is there.

 

[Ian1981]

For bonding all you need to do is verify it is present and adequate(define adequate,size no damage,suitable bs clamp etc)
Can always make a note in the comments section on the mwc

 

[Spunkywads26]

@ Lee - To move it would mean I need to replace the cable as it runs the wrong way.

@ Pete - I'm removing batten light above bath and replacing with 3 IP rated downlights and an extract fan.

@ Westy/Ian - I just worry that I would then take ownership of the bonding as I have carried out work on the CU and the bonding would always be checked. Therefore as soon as I sign off this it would become my problem. I am only just getting back into the trade and want to start in the right manner.

 

[Pete999]

Well if it's causing you that much grief , make a note on the MNW cert and quote for altering the position of the bond

 

[HandySparks]

The Gas meter is in the same cupboard and the bonding clamp is 1200mm away from the meter. The bonding clamp on the water pipe is situated on a branch from the stop tap.

Unless you can see a particular safety issue with this arrangement, I'd leave it.

 

[HandySparks]

... I just worry that I would then take ownership of the bonding as I have carried out work on the CU and the bonding would always be checked.

What work are you doing on the CU?

 

[Ian1981]

@ Lee - To move it would mean I need to replace the cable as it runs the wrong way.

@ Pete - I'm removing batten light above bath and replacing with 3 IP rated downlights and an extract fan.

@ Westy/Ian - I just worry that I would then take ownership of the bonding as I have carried out work on the CU and the bonding would always be checked. Therefore as soon as I sign off this it would become my problem. I am only just getting back into the trade and want to start in the right manner.

You are checking the bonding and altering an existing installation this is not initial verification same as if you did an eicr you certainly wouldn't C2 it.
If it's concerning you then alter it

 

[Ian1981]

If cable runs wrong way for gas then extend it, install an earth block or through crimp it inside a suitable enclosure with a label safety earth electrical connection do not remove

 

[Spunkywads26]

@ Handy - Sorry what I said was wrong, I am altering an existing circuit but when I test the circuit I will test the bonding continuity.

@ Ian - I will bring this up with the landlord tomorrow and state that I will note it on the MWC unless it gets altered. Just want to cover my behind.

 

[Pete999]

@ Handy - Sorry what I said was wrong, I am altering an existing circuit but when I test the circuit I will test the bonding continuity.

@ Ian - I will bring this up with the landlord tomorrow and state that I will note it on the MWC unless it gets altered. Just want to cover my behind.

If you note it on the MNW cert then, said behind, is well and truly covered imo.

 

[Ian1981]

@ Handy - Sorry what I said was wrong, I am altering an existing circuit but when I test the circuit I will test the bonding continuity.

@ Ian - I will bring this up with the landlord tomorrow and state that I will note it on the MWC unless it gets altered. Just want to cover my behind.

It's like if you install a socket and there's no rcd protection to the existing circuit.
You could install the cable in trunking and fit an rcd socket.
As long as your work is covered you don't have to bring existing installation to current standards. That said bonding must always be checked.

 

[Pete999]

If you note it on the MNW cert then, said behind, is well and truly covered imo.

To add if your work is complete. tested and certified, the to reaffirm, note the concerns on the cert, bum covered , you have done your bit it's now down the client to make the decision to ask for the remedial to be done IN WRITTING, for further bum covering

 

[Spunkywads26]

Thanks guys. Sorry if this may be trivial stuff but I just lack the confidence in my own knowledge and ability. Hopefully this will come soon and then maybe I can help others too

 

[Pete999]

Thanks guys. Sorry if this may be trivial stuff but I just lack the confidence in my own knowledge and ability. Hopefully this will come soon and then maybe I can help others too

No worries spunkywads

 

[Octopus]

If you are this concerned why not ring your schemes help line and see what they recommend..........

 

[Dave OCD]

If the gas pipe is the same continuous piece of copper at 600 and 1200mm from the gas meter what difference does it make anyway ? I know what the regs say but a little common sense can surely be applied here ?

 

[Pete999]

If you are this concerned why not ring your schemes help line and see what they recommend..........

Experience by passed for a moment, the OP says he lacks confidence, if he take the advice given, and notes the non conforming bits on his cert he shouldn't need to get advice from his scheme, the advice given is sound, from people probably more knowledgeable than his scheme, this will in turn expand his confidence, you can't be charging folk for work only to go running to the people you pay money to for advice, because from experience they often give the wrong advice, or cover their behinds in other ways, there I've said it, await the howling and flaying to start anytime soon.