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Sequence of tests will be on part 6 or big blue, or in GN3 and on-site guide.
The sequence of test is for AFTER the work has been carried out (dead test and live tests)... Or I'm guessing it would be used to check the adequacy of the circuit too, prior to carrying out works? But it seems excessive to carry out ALL the tests, so which ones are necessary?
Isn't there info on ONLY circuit testing prior to carrying out works? If so, which book and what section could I find this info?

I'm just trying to finish the building regs book before I make a start on the guidance note 3. So if its in there let me know and I'll refer to it once I start.

Thanks for answering
 
Short answer is yes - test first or repent later when problems come up!

Never assume something is correct before you start, otherwise you might make a change and then spend your time trying to fix your work when really the fault was elsewhere.


I would agree with you there, anything below a few Meg is suspect unless you have a very good reason why it might be like that (e.g. very extensive industrial circuit with lots of dust and damp).
Where would I find the info for the test to carry out PRIOR to carrying out works to ensure the circuit is adequate?

Which test would you carry out then prior to carrying out any works on a circuit?
Let's say an existing lighting circuit, and someone wanted an extra light with a switch for that light and also a ring circuit which they wanted to add an extra socket to.
 
Where would I find the info for the test to carry out PRIOR to carrying out works to ensure the circuit is adequate?

Which test would you carry out then prior to carrying out any works on a circuit?
Let's say an existing lighting circuit, and someone wanted an extra light with a switch for that light and also a ring circuit which they wanted to add an extra socket to.

I would definitely recommend GN3.
 
The tests and test sequences specified in regulations (and guides to same) are all about ensuring that completed installations achieve a recognised and agreed level of safety. How you tackle a job in a way that makes your time usage efficient, your business profitable and your customers happy is more of a commercial strategy than a technical requirement, provided you always leave the installation safe and compliant.

You might choose not to bother testing anything at the beginning, then pay for any remedials yourself at the end out of the time saved and extra jobs you won by cracking straight on and getting a good reputation for not being fussy or awkward. Or, you might test the hell out of everything, put in pessimistic quotes, insist on extra work being done that the customer wasn't expecting, lose some jobs but never have to cover the cost of remedials yourself. Between the two extremes is probably an optimum point for the type of installations and customers that you have to deal with.
 
Where would I find the info for the test to carry out PRIOR to carrying out works to ensure the circuit is adequate?

Which test would you carry out then prior to carrying out any works on a circuit?
Let's say an existing lighting circuit, and someone wanted an extra light with a switch for that light and also a ring circuit which they wanted to add an extra socket to.
As Lucian says, there is a certain business trade-off in how you should best tackle a job, and some of that will come with experience as you get to know the range of customers and the sort of installations you are going to work on.

It is quite risky to quote time & cost without seeing the installation, but often when you take a quick look (or get the customer to send some photos of the supply/CU and the bits they want changed, etc) you will have an idea if it is risky to offer without testing or not.

So for a big job like a CU change you really want to know what you are getting yourself in to, so many electricians would insist on an EICR first, either as a step before quoting (if it looks like a troublesome job) or as the initial stage of the work if it looks routine.

A very good guide as to what things might be wrong that would need rectification as part of any work (big or small) is available for free as the Best Practice Guide #4 here:

For smaller jobs, such as a light change or extra socket, you probably don't need to test before quoting, unless the age or general condition/abuse over the years gives you cause to worry. But it is best to do at least a quick check before you start in case there are surprises, then the customer does not get the impression you are trying to make up for mistakes you made. I.e. you can be up front if you discover a problem that is possibly costly to fix (e.g. open or missing CPC on lighting where it might be in a hidden junction box somewhere).

It may not change the job outcome/cost. But at least they should feel you are doing it professionally by checking for safety first and letting them know, rather than doing the work and then trying to explain why it was actually broken before you touched it.
 
Hello again,

For any more questions I have on the building regs, I will just post here rather than constantly creating new post... I hope it doesn't break any electriciansforums regulations

Reading through section 8.4.2 page 133, near the bottom of the page where it gives examples of c1 c2 c3... C3 (b) states: no supplementary bonding in bathroom where it is required.
Now I think I know why it would be required... because if plastic pipes are used and the bonding would not be continuous from the water stopcock position? So you would have to bridge the copper pipe (before it converts to plastic) to any metal bathroom taps, showerheads etc (after the plastic pipe)??

This is more of a confirmation question
Thanks for any answers
 
See Regulation 132.16 where you are required to carry out some basic checks before additions or alterations are carried out. The checks you have quoted are likely to satisfy this Regulation.
 

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