New kitchen does it need own fusebox or change just the mains fusebox?

[DPG]

Its going to be replaced with an identical one

I know. So take it down before the plastering!

What if the plaster gets damaged while you're trying to remove it?

Why why why why oh why etc etc.

 

[nicebutdim]

There's also the assumption that the existing cable is fine. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't - no one knows, so get the electrician in and let them decide before plastering the ceiling. Chances are they can also leave some temporary lighting arrangement that allows a decent finish on the new ceiling.

 

[DPG]

There's also the assumption that the existing cable is fine. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't - no one knows, so get the electrician in and let them decide before plastering the ceiling. Chances are they can also leave some temporary lighting arrangement that allows a decent finish on the new ceiling.

I'm waiting to see the plasterers face when he does a perfect finish around this light and then someone walks up and takes it down.

 

[timhoward]

If you ask the electrician nicely they may be willing to pop around and take it down for you.
Some plasterers I know are confident enough to remove a light fitting while they work so you might get lucky.

Get the electrician involved well before any plastering takes place.

Agree, the wisdom of posting on this forum at 4pm today when the problem was identified instead of contacting the electrician is a little bit debatable!
It does make a refreshing change that a new kitchen doesn't automatically mean 8 downlights though!

 

[pc1966]

As above folk say, get the old light off BEFORE the plastering is done. Then the new one up.

The point about like-for-like replacement (so here, similar baton light) is that does not require the circuit to be brought up to recent regs, so fine on the old main fuse box assuming the cable is OK and long enough, etc.

If you were having additional lights fitted then it should meet the current regs and that usually means on RCD protection as generally speaking the cable won't be guaranteed to be deeper than 50mm from any surface where it is hidden (there is more to it than that, but usually that is the deciding factor).

 

[OnlQQker]

builder may be genuine and has a registered spark on hand. not all builders are rogues. i've worked with some good, some bad.

I worked for a builder many moons ago, and when the electrician was off site he used a roll of the sparks 2.5 cable to pull up a bucket load of cement to the roof. Then wound it back up and said nothing.

 

[Ell4848]

I know. So take it down before the plastering!

What if the plaster gets damaged while you're trying to remove it?

Why why why why oh why etc etc.

I worked for a builder many moons ago, and when the electrician was off site he used a roll of the sparks 2.5 cable to pull up a bucket load of cement to the roof. Then wound it back up and said nothing.

I told the builder and he said its fine. So I guess they know what they are doing. I also read on other forums that if they bring the fixture down slightly they can plaster

 

[DPG]

I told the builder and he said its fine. So I guess they know what they are doing. I also read on other forums that if they bring the fixture down slightly they can plaster

So they're going to have to lower this unwanted light fitting down before they plaster?

Sorry to bang on but I just don't get it.

 

[westward10]

Never ask a builder for advice use the electrician. The chances of the new fitting being identical to match the unplastered part are zero, it needs removing prior to plastering.

 

[DPG]

Never ask a builder for advice use the electrician. The chances of the new fitting being identical to match the unplastered part are zero, it needs removing prior to plastering.

I knew Westy would be along eventually with the answer

 

[brianmoooore]

I worked for a builder many moons ago, and when the electrician was off site he used a roll of the sparks 2.5 cable to pull up a bucket load of cement to the roof. Then wound it back up and said nothing.

No reason for the sparks to complain. He left a 100m reel, and got back a 105m reel.

 

[Ell4848]

No reason for the sparks to complain. He left a 100m reel, and got back a 105m reel.

Yeah I think the plasterer is going to remove it while they do it. They're a big building firm and have every trade on hand. They do huge extensions and major refurbishments so the director said it will be OK I told him whats what and he is confident its fine

 

[DPG]

Yeah I think the plasterer is going to remove it while they do it. They're a big building firm and have every trade on hand. They do huge extensions and major refurbishments so the director said it will be OK I told him whats what and he is confident its fine

So after all these posts and comments about plastering around the light, you now say they are actually going to take it down before they plaster.

Could you not have mentioned this about 15 posts up?

 

[nicebutdim]

Yeah I think the plasterer is going to remove it while they do it. They're a big building firm and have every trade on hand. They do huge extensions and major refurbishments so the director said it will be OK I told him whats what and he is confident its fine

I'll just leave a link to this salient comment:

New kitchen does it need own fusebox or change just the mains fusebox? - Page 3 - in - UK Electrical Forum

, New kitchen does it need own fusebox or change just the mains fusebox?, UK Electrical Forum, ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum and page_number.

www.electriciansforums.net

...and again question the wisdom of seeking advice that you fully intend to ignore, if it doesn't affirm a decision you've already taken.

 

[telectrix]

OP is fromLondon.have to make allowances. they don't know their arses from their elbows south of Birmingham. ( just look at that ridiculous round tent by the river and that Shard thing that looks like a RGB strip installed bya plumber).).

 

[Ell4848]

So after all these posts and comments about plastering around the light, you now say they are actually going to take it down before they plaster.

Could you not have mentioned this about 15 posts up?

I just got the builder and directors response. Had to ask

 

[westward10]

OP is fromLondon.have to make allowances. they don't know their arses from their elbows south of Birmingham. ( just look at that ridiculous round tent by the river and that Shard thing that looks like a RGB strip installed bya plumber).).

I'll ave u know I woz born n dragged up in the smoke.

 

[telectrix]

I'll ave u know I woz born n dragged up in the smoke.

we can't all be perfect. could make you an honorary Scouser. just make a £5K cheque out payable to:

Crisis Assistance Scouser Hostelries. Bit long winded?.

just use the initials C.A.S.H.

 

[ipf]

I'll ave u know I woz born n dragged up in the smoke.

Them southern jessies don't know true 'smoke'. ....cough!
Bleedin' Dick Van Dyke and his chimney sweeps....not to mention his accent.

 

[Ell4848]

So after all these posts and comments about plastering around the light, you now say they are actually going to take it down before they plaster.

Could you not have mentioned this about 15 posts up?

Hi All

Our electrician is installing a new fusebox just for the kitchen with new wiring
However he has made connections/boxes for our applicances to be hardwired so that it will all be connected to the new fusebox

My worry is, that we bought an expensive fridge cooker and washing machine and this may invalidate the warranty???

Does anyone know anything about this your advice would be appreciated

Thank you

 

[nicebutdim]

My worry is, that we bought an expensive fridge cooker and washing machine and this may invalidate the warranty???

It won't and it's good practice.

Edit: I should add that, if I've read your post correctly, your electrician is ensuring that a fault with one appliance won't affect power supply to any other.

 

[Ell4848]

It won't and it's good practice.

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

 

[Ell4848]

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

I'm going to check all the manuals tomorrow

 

[brianmoooore]

Connection should be via a fused connection unit, incorporating the same fuse rating as the plug that was cut off, but otherwise, no.

 

[nicebutdim]

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

Think of it another way and forget about what manuals might state...

If you damaged an appliance flex and had it replaced, would you expect this to void the warranty? Consumer law would not be on the manufacturer's side, should they reject a claim under such circumstances.

 

[ipf]

It won't invalidate warranty if done correctly......but why hard wire appliances if they come with a 13a plug connected? If you have problems with them it just creates more.
Is he talking about FCU's at worktop height with sockets below?

 

[Ell4848]

It won't invalidate warranty if done correctly......but why hard wire appliances if they come with a 13a plug connected? If you have problems with them it just creates more.
Is he talking about FCU's at worktop height with sockets below?

Hi

Does it really cause more problems? I'm reading Conflicting reports.

Yes FCU at worktop with hardwire behind cooker

 

[ipf]

Hi

Does it really cause more problems? I'm reading Conflicting reports.

Yes FCU at worktop with hardwire behind cooker

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

 

[Ell4848]

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Sorry what do you mean exactly

 

[Ell4848]

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Its about a 1/3 down from the grill pan

 

[Ell4848]

Its about a 1/3 down from the grill pan

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Or between a 1/3 and halfway down

 

[ipf]

Sorry what do you mean exactly

A FCU/ isolation point at work top height, to isolate a socket outlet at lower level, behind the kitchen units, supplying an appliance. A method used regularly in kitchens.

 

[littlespark]

Socket in adjacent cupboard.

Sometimes there’s not enough space directly behind an appliance for a plug.

You need to be able to isolate an appliance quickly… so switch above worktop, or accessible socket.

I also think myself you need to be able to quickly remove an appliance from the property if it starts smoking.

 

[Ell4848]

Socket in adjacent cupboard.

Sometimes there’s not enough space directly behind an appliance for a plug.

You need to be able to isolate an appliance quickly… so switch above worktop, or accessible socket.

I also think myself you need to be able to quickly remove an appliance from the property if it starts smoking.

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

 

[Avo Mk8]

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

When you mention "cooker", do you mean with a hob on top, grill and oven(s)? Or is it just an oven unit?
If the former it needs a circuit rated for a cooker, and a proper cooker switch, not a 13A fcu. And not a 13A plug

 

[ipf]

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

I know different people can go off at tangents to the point in question but I'm wondering if you are any wiser to the situation?

 

[Ell4848]

When you mention "cooker", do you mean with a hob on top, grill and oven(s)? Or is it just an oven unit?
If the former it needs a circuit rated for a cooker, and a proper cooker switch, not a 13A fcu. And not a 13A plug

Its a gas double oven with electric grill option and 4 gas hobs

 

[Ell4848]

I know different people can go off at tangents to the point in question but I'm wondering if you are any wiser to the situation?

Not really no. Sorry to say this about women on their behalf and mine but im a woman and pretty much clueless

 

[Avo Mk8]

Its a gas double oven with electric grill option and 4 gas hobs

OK, fine. That's a combination I didn't consider! No problem with the proposed arrangements.

There's been much said on the interweb about cutting off of an appliance plug invalidating warranty.
It's generally considered here to be a myth.

Cutting off Moulded Plug Top from appliance - in - UK Electrical Forum

, Cutting off Moulded Plug Top from appliance, UK Electrical Forum, ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum and page_number.

www.electriciansforums.net

 

[ipf]

Not really no. Sorry to say this about women on their behalf and mine but im a woman and pretty much clueless

So it seems...........sorry, only joking, Ell .......and to all our competent women members.

I think it might be best if you had a word with your electrician for a decent explanation that you can understand, to put your mind at rest. Ask why there is any need for fixed wired appliances (rather than plug-in). I've a feeling there might not be....and there may be no intention of using them. If there is, you'll know why.