Ruddy "L" ! :: Part L V 34 Downlights

[DaveyD]

Hi Gents

Working on an extention - customer designed lighting. In the extention its 37 lights of which 34 are downlights and he only wants 4 led's in the wet room - reason cost. I like the halliers and east to fit but he wont go at £30+ a pop. He wants £5 GU10's Hals. I am rewiring the whole upstairs too but even if I put LE in all other lights in house I'm still only a third LE - so unacceptable.
I see my options as:
(i) Get customer to change his lighting design
(ii) Get customer to buy 34 x halliers
(iii) Buy the cheap GU10's and find some horrid cheap led's that comply that he can replace back to GU10's Hals if he chooses.

Any thoughts please?

Thanbks in advance.

David

 

[Mark_Burgess]

If the customer is a pain in the back side, get him to purchase what ever lights he wants, as long as its the correct type IP or fire rated.
Get a contact or quote for him to sign before work commences the states you are to fit the lights he has supplied only and has declined you lighting proposal.
At the end of the day you are employed by him for that job, and if the building control want to pull him up on it then its his problem.

 

[DaveyD]

If the customer is a pain in the back side, get him to purchase what ever lights he wants, as long as its the correct type IP or fire rated.
Get a contact or quote for him to sign before work commences the states you are to fit the lights he has supplied only and has declined you lighting proposal.
At the end of the day you are employed by him for that job, and if the building control want to pull him up on it then its his problem.

Thanks Mark, that's a good idea.

 

[Rockingit]

you might also like to point out to him that 34 x 50w = 1.7kW = 7A @ 10% thermal efficiency = a 1.5 bar heater running.

 

[DaveyD]

you might also like to point out to him that 34 x 50w = 1.7kW = 7A @ 10% thermal efficiency = a 1.5 bar heater running.

Thats a good point Rocky, thank you for your valued advise - it is a large area - over 5 new rooms and includes three in external overhang. I see his reasoning regarding the initial cost though; £5+ Verses £30+ is enough of a difference when looking at half a dozen but 34 at £30+ adds up.

 

[Rockingit]

I'm in exactly the same boat, in fairness. There's a total of 29 GU10's in my own house and I'm slowly changing them to Halers a few at a time! The difference is that I put the JCC's in with the intention of them not staying.

I've a nice stash of JCC Fireguard in Brushed Nickel, 1yr old and you'd never know - if anyone wants some!!

 

[Octopus]

Does anyone actually "police" part "l"?

 

[baldelectrician]

I use standard fire rated downlighters with Kosnic 5w power led's, less than £20 each, and as bright if not brighter than the Halers
The Halers warm white don't meet the Scottish building standards of 55 lumens per circuit watt (40 lumens / circuit watt for part P)

As stated earlier - get the customer to sign a discalamer that he is going against your professional advice and that he is liable for any costs putting things right.

 

[DaveyD]

Does anyone actually "police" part "l"?

Well if BC are involved (and they are) they would note this.

 

[TedM]

Cheap LEDs don't have to be 'horrid'. I've just installed some 3W LEDs from Lidls at £5.99 each and they have a nice warm white feel at 3000K. It can be difficult to get people to go for LEDs as they have had a bad reputation for harsh light in the past but this is changing. A quick search shows that similar are available elsewhere at less than £5 each although dimmable LEDs are still quite a bit more expensive.

 

[Anonomoose]

Ive just finished a great job, customer wanted downlights throughout their new house they just bought. Priced thinking downstairs would take a while being solid boarded floors above, Arrive first day to find all the downstairs ceilings had been removed due to asbestos... Result!

they ended up going with Cool white LEDs throughout 138 of them.
Made the mistake of being persuaded into CEFs own Tamlight ones instead of the usual Haler ones. Took 8 hours with two people in my garage making them up to be compatible with the little blue Click ct100 plugs. Oh well cant win them all.

 

[DaveyD]

I use standard fire rated downlighters with Kosnic 5w power led's, less than £20 each, and as bright if not brighter than the Halers
The Halers warm white don't meet the Scottish building standards of 55 lumens per circuit watt (40 lumens / circuit watt for part P)

As stated earlier - get the customer to sign a discalamer that he is going against your professional advice and that he is liable for any costs putting things right.

Like these BE ? Fire Rated LED Downlight Fixed Position - Down Lights Direct

20+ at £12 odd each.