Switching ideas

[elevate]

That started with a smoke dropping in the oil trays under the escalators. Bloke with me only wanted to be a key holder to he could search the trays for money while he was making off piro ends.

It was caused by a handrail overheating due to non maintained bearings, the reason why the fire spread so quickly as the handrail was still turning. A fire in an escalator pit would only affect that area, and take a lot longer to spread.

Are the camera,s not monitored by a central control room with a bms system, if so it would be feasible to control the maintained and non maintained lighting through the bms.

 

[tazz]

The inrush of air pressure by the trains, was the final nail....all communications & cctv are local and linked to central point. Linear zoned heating cable is now installed under all escalators. Alot has now changed since kings cross. Zoned localised dampers/extraction, Phased evacuation by priority platform area. Hopefully serious lessons have been learnt.

 

[trev]

Anyone would think you knew what you were talking about Dave. Which you clearly don't because you're daring to post something that Thomas didn't

 

[Geordie Spark]

Anyone would think you knew what you were talking about Dave. Which you clearly don't because you're daring to post something that Thomas didn't

Wherdego?? :whatchutalkingabout

 

[tazz]

Anyone would think you knew what you were talking about Dave. Which you clearly don't because you're daring to post something that Thomas didn't

I make it up as I go Trev....But you must admit, it makes good reading...

 

[elevate]

The inrush of air pressure by the trains, was the final nail....all communications & cctv are local and linked to central point. Linear zoned heating cable is now installed under all escalators. Alot has now changed since kings cross. Zoned localised dampers/extraction, Phased evacuation by priority platform area. Hopefully serious lessons have been learnt.

Hopefully the biggest lesson learned would be a strict escalator maintenance regime, which was not the case at the time, handrails rubbing over seized bearings create a lot of heat and the heated particles of the handrail form a "cloud" which ignites in a fireball when a certain temperature is reached.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I make it up as I go Trev....But you must admit, it makes good reading...

You're ok, but not as good as this bloke --> Wilbert Awdry - Thomas the Tank Engine Wikia

 

[tazz]

Hopefully the biggest lesson learned would be a strict escalator maintenance regime, which was not the case at the time, handrails rubbing over seized bearings create a lot of heat and the heated particles of the handrail form a "cloud" which ignites in a fireball when a certain temperature is reached.

Wooden frame, oiled bearings, human dust, clothing fibres & bad maintenance .....Fire just waiting to happen

 

[ruston]

Wooden frame, oiled bearings, human dust, clothing fibres & bad maintenance .....Fire just waiting to happen

That's sobering and frightening.

 

[trev]

Wherdego?? :whatchutalkingabout

Someone swung the ban hammer again Fatha.

 

[Geordie Spark]

That's sobering and frightening.

I passed through there a few days after (I don't remember how many now. I may have been going to a job at Earls Court) and it was frightening then even after the event.

It really was an accident waiting to happen and all in the name of saving a few pennies I think.

If there weren't any prosecutions made (again I can't remember) then there damned well should have been.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Someone swung the ban hammer again Fatha.

Oh dear ... how sad - too bad!

I was looking forward to playing with him again.

 

[tazz]

Will be up in your next of the woods again in a few weeks Trev....

 

[spark 68]

Oh dear ... how sad - too bad!

I was looking forward to playing with him again.

Beats playing with yourself I suppose :wink_smile:

 

[trev]

I really do not understand why I would lie about this. What is the point? I was asking for alternative ideas as I do not 'know it all'.

I am a specialist railway contractor. Can I ask what you do Trev. I am interested to know what gives you the right to question my word?

You're banned as I write this but what makes you think you're above questioning?
Who tf are you? The bloody queen? The arrogance in the highlighted question is breathtaking even by my standards.
Fyi I'm self employed, I do a mixture of works, in the past I've even worked on the railways so I know people in the industry, some of whom are on here. They're calling bull**** too

 

[ruston]

I passed through there a few days after (I don't remember how many now. I may have been going to a job at Earls Court) and it was frightening then even after the event.

It really was an accident waiting to happen and all in the name of saving a few pennies I think.

If there weren't any prosecutions made (again I can't remember) then there damned well should have been.

You can say that again , there should of been jail sentences handed out for that. The whole of what industry that is left seems to cut corners and miss priorities.

 

[elevate]

Its worse now, the time allocated to carry out maintenece on a lift. Would allow getting the motor room keys and giving them straight back.

 

[ruston]

Its worse now, the time allocated to carry out maintenece on a lift. Would allow getting the motor room keys and giving them straight back.

That's shocking. To many at the trough?

 

[tazz]

This is a good series on Discovery, explaining the wooden escalator problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wpnuaM5Ig

 

[elevate]

Maintenance contracts cut to the bone, to reduce costs all round.

 

[ruston]

Maintenance contracts cut to the bone, to reduce costs all round.

Yes , I wonder how much it costs to put it all back together again when it goes to the fan . False economy.

 

[elevate]

This is a good series on Discovery, explaining the wooden escalator problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wpnuaM5Ig

Had not seen that before. The fire starts where the handrail and handrail bearings run. What is seen on the film are the tread rollers.
Try lighting solidified grease with a match, it won't happen. A load of bull. Still I suppose all responsible are happy with that outcome. In those days matches and lit cigarettes were constantly dropped down escalators.

 

[Darkwood]

It was what caused one of the biggest stadium fires to date at Bradford City .... same s..t different venue, although the severity of the physics of what occured regarding the escalator and how the fire got so intense so fast took years to resolve and has implemented new designs across the world to avoid such a tragic life loss in a similar fire.

 

[pennychew]

It was what caused one of the biggest stadium fires to date at Bradford City .... same s..t different venue, although the severity of the physics of what occured regarding the escalator and how the fire got so intense so fast took years to resolve and has implemented new designs across the world to avoid such a tragic life loss in a similar fire.

Saw the video footage of the Bradford City fire a few months back and it was horrific

 

[Darkwood]

Saw the video footage of the Bradford City fire a few months back and it was horrific

Still has a numbing effect around here, many local Brad' City fans in my small town; I've worked on the new grounds which is now all steel and concrete... well except the pitch but its good to see them kicking some premier --- the other day lol... not bad for the underdogs.

 

[pennychew]

Was an unbelievable result! did you's not have a good cup run last year as well though?

 

[Jonspark]

I remember watching in shock, the Bradford City fire live on tele. Terrible sight.

 

[elevate]

An independent enquiry was carried out within the lift industry, with a different outcome. It was not a lighted match that started the escalator fire.