Why so big a difference in price?

[Andy78]

I know what you and Andy are getting at and I know you need a JIB card to get on certain sites.
I know there is a big world out there, you have to know this as well.... That's why we have electricians with different knowledge bases. (As I have mentioned before)... Again, at the end of the day "There is no legal definition of 'electrician'." everyone has their own opinion. Mine is more open minded..

I suppose I too am open minded but my definition is also very flexible. For example whether I would regard a short course guy as an electrician or not would depend on whether they actually knew what they were doing or not and the standard of their work. That said, I wouldn't regard a diyer that had done a good standard compliant installation as an electrician.

In general I stick to the industry accepted definition of electrician as it is clear and easy.
In the world of short courses none are made equal in terms of qualification so where do you draw the line of definition ? Do we say an Aldi shelf stacker that has just sat their 2382 is now an electrician with a different knowledge base ? How about if we chuck a 3 day building regs course on top ? electrician yet ?

My problem here is that in this more open minded definition everybody in the world is an electrician with a different knowledge base, just some with a knowledge base of zero. So where do we draw the line ? My line gets drawn where the industry chose to draw it many many years ago as it is still the most meaningful level of requirements we have.
I am aware that there are plenty more highly qualified and less qualified people than this level that reject this yardstick though.

 

[Spoon]

I suppose I too am open minded but my definition is also very flexible. For example whether I would regard a short course guy as an electrician or not would depend on whether they actually knew what they were doing or not and the standard of their work. That said, I wouldn't regard a diyer that had done a good standard compliant installation as an electrician.

In general I stick to the industry accepted definition of electrician as it is clear and easy.
In the world of short courses none are made equal in terms of qualification so where do you draw the line of definition ? Do we say an Aldi shelf stacker that has just sat their 2382 is now an electrician with a different knowledge base ? How about if we chuck a 3 day building regs course on top ? electrician yet ?

My problem here is that in this more open minded definition everybody in the world is an electrician with a different knowledge base, just some with a knowledge base of zero. So where do we draw the line ? My line gets drawn where the industry chose to draw it many many years ago as it is still the most meaningful level of requirements we have.
I am aware that there are plenty more highly qualified and less qualified people than this level that reject this yardstick though.

So according to your definition I am not an electrician.... I can live with that.
Also, out of interest, according to the Oxford Dictionary I am not an electrician. (A person who installs and maintains electrical equipment)
Everyone has a different opinion. We will not agree on all things. I think that people who do these short courses can call themselves 'electricians'... My opinion....... If you don't agree with that then that's fine.

 

[Andy78]

So according to your definition I am not an electrician.... I can live with that.
Also, out of interest, according to the Oxford Dictionary I am not an electrician. (A person who installs and maintains electrical equipment)
Everyone has a different opinion. We will not agree on all things. I think that people who do these short courses can call themselves 'electricians'... My opinion....... If you don't agree with that then that's fine.

Ha ha, like I said I prefer to judge people on their merits, just saying that for industry an exact definition is more useful than a sliding scale all the way up from zero.
By the way, no offence meant at all.

 

[Spoon]

Ha ha, like I said I prefer to judge people on their merits, just saying that for industry an exact definition is more useful than a sliding scale all the way up from zero.
By the way, no offence meant at all.

No offence taken mate... It's just people having a discussion.... Which is always good.


By the way.... DAN: We need more loving emojis... Where are the hearts... We even have 'bad spelling' and 'dumb' buttons, which are useless..... How about more happy stuff, or are you after a grumpy site...
Your loving "electrician"
Spoon
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[Pete E]

Me thinks a plumber is having fun with the electricians again!

 

[Spoon]

Me thinks a plumber is having fun with the electricians again!

Well someone is.... It's all ok thought... It's good to talk...
"We want to be together......"

 

[pirate]

Electricians with different skill sets...all electricians, just in different ways?
Some electricians may have every possible qualification, but not actually be particularly skillful in some installations/practice/theory.
I guess we can all agree on that?
My dad went to uni and got his degree in medicine, so he was Doctor.
My mum went to uni and got her degree in medicine, so she was a Doctor.
He was a consultant in chest medicine, she was an anaesthetist. Neither could do the job of the other, clearly! Different skill sets.

 

[Anthony S]

I know what you and Andy are getting at and I know you need a JIB card to get on certain sites.
I know there is a big world out there, you have to know this as well.... That's why we have electricians with different knowledge bases. (As I have mentioned before)... Again, at the end of the day "There is no legal definition of 'electrician'." everyone has their own opinion. Mine is more open minded..

The opinion of a very large % of employers who request a JIB Gold Card or don't apply for the job tells me they prefer someone who as actually completed some sort of training with core qualifications.

People who feel they are qualified Electricians shouldn't have an issue completing the required qualifications, nvq, am2.

 

[Anthony S]

duplicate post

 

[RWJ]

I'm a apprenticeship served spark that had a JIB gold card since qualifying. It was up for renewal when I (for personal reasons) for a short time wasn't sparking and working in another industry. I didn't bother to renew it, when I came back to sparking about 14 months later I never bothered to get a gold card.
That was 10 years ago, I've only just got a new Gold Card.... Why?

Because I needed a CSCS card to work on some antennas (RF not electrical) on the roof of a high rise tower, as well as other related qualifications. This is the only time I've EVER been asked in the last 10 years for a card, I've worked on small & medium commercial , and domestic new developments, been air side of a heliport, been sea side of a port and a varying range of jobs in between.