81amp start current....

Wouldn't it trip immediately

Type B mcbs are designed to withstand a starting surge between 3 and 5 times their rated current.

81/32=2.53 so it will be fine with that startup surge.

Is this an existing installation or a new installation which has never been switched on? If it is an existing installation and it is working then you don't need any calculations or theory, the mere fact that it is working without the MCB tripping proves that there is no issue with the startup current.
 
There's a short in the circuit some where even with the air con disconnected, and the God knows what else it spured off to which it is easy running a new supply to the air con.

20amp type C with 2.5 flex would be fine.

Appreciate the help BTW. I know it's hard to get a bit of advice sometimes from people on here. They think I'm testing their ability or something.
 
There's a short in the circuit some where even with the air con disconnected, and the God knows what else it spured off to which it is easy running a new supply to the air con.

20amp type C with 2.5 flex would be fine.

Appreciate the help BTW. I know it's hard to get a bit of advice sometimes from people on here. They think I'm testing their ability or something.

What exactly is the point of this thread? what do you want to find out?

If there is a fault on the circuit then find the fault and repair it. If only god knows what else has been spurred off from the circuit then either go and ask him about it or trace the circuit yourself and find what has been spurred from it.

You need to do some proper calculations before just assuming 2.5mm flex and a 20A MCB will be OK, can you meet the disconnection times with this arrangement? Is flex the most suitable cable to install? What containment will it be installed in or how else will it be supported?

Your profile says you are a trainee? is this correct? if it is then your mentor should be looking over your work and you shouldn't have to resort to asking cryptic questions here to find out what you should be doing.
 
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We are wiring new heating systems for our local council and the spec is to supply the air source units with 6mm on B32s and the rating of the unit is only 11.5A!
 
Wired the air con with 2.5 flex and 20a type C. Works fine.

Who ever does their specs want shooting. Over estimated. Probz because it's not their money it's the tax payers.
 
Wired the air con with 2.5 flex and 20a type C. Works fine.

Who ever does their specs want shooting. Over estimated. Probz because it's not their money it's the tax payers.

Sometimes over-speccing is to allow for future changes to installed equipment....it's called thinking ahead/future proofing.
 
Wired the air con with 2.5 flex and 20a type C. Works fine.

Who ever does their specs want shooting. Over estimated. Probz because it's not their money it's the tax payers.

Just because it works fine it doesn't mean it is right?

Did the Zs comply on your new circuit? Have you used suitable fireproof support for the flex if needed. Is the flex LSF insulated if needed?
 
Be careful with your VD calcs though. When selecting the cable for CCC, the running current is what counts because it is a thermal limitation and the cable does not heat up significantly during the short starting period. But the VD applies just as much to the starting current and if it is excessive at the higher figure the compressor might not start at all, especially if it has recently been running and is now trying to restart against head pressure.

So where oversize cables seem to have been specced, it might be to satisfy the manufacturers maximum permissible VD during starting.
 
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Wired the air con with 2.5 flex and 20a type C. Works fine.

Who ever does their specs want shooting. Over estimated. Probz because it's not their money it's the tax payers.

Floating on the same lines as Lucien here ....

When speccing a cable type and mcb rating for motors - things to be taken into account:-

-The frequency of start
-The duration of the start
-Your calculated ELI relative to you mcb type meeting the starting current without tripping

The first 2 points are relatively rare in the domestic and small commercial to be an issue but as in my area of work is crucial as the larger high inertia motor loads take some extra considerations when designing.

The manufacturers instructions now should specify a mcb rating to protect their product like in OP's case and this may specify a 32(b) for a number of reasons, manufacturers tend to play extra safe and can over-spec products requirements to account for worse case scenario's because they lack many neccessary info to give a better guidence.

Having said that if this is a dedicated circuit then protecting the cable for O/L may not be required as the unit should have O/L protection for the motor and thus could be classed as a fixed load circuit meaning you may be able to keep say a 32a(b) if requested by the manufacturer but only supply it on a 2.5mm cable (installation calcs allowing of course).

Manufacturers sometimes use the term 'recommended' mcb rating and this is just that 'a recommendation' - if you can calculate it diferently and prove the lower rating won't nuisance trip then do so but if on the rare occasion you are asked to justify your calcs then be prepared to do so.

To note here and a trap often fallen into is the trip curves of mcb's

Example lets say a 10amp type C has a tripping characteristics of 5ln - 10ln and your motor has a 6amp flc but a peak inrush of 55amps which is 5.5ln relative to this mcb, now the mcb can trip with a current anywhere between 50a and 100a, any higher than 100amp inrush should trip it 100% of the time but when you get close to it lower limit the frequency of tripping here become very low. Having said this if it can trip at all and your inrush falls within the range then you should either increase the mcb type of the mcb ampage until the chances of inrush tripping is 0%. Not forgetting to still meet ELI and VD.

Your peak inrush should be lower than the lowest trip 'ln' of the mcb many think that if you inrush is within the 2 'ln' values of the mcb then this is ok.... the mcb does not trip at a certain ampage repeatedly, you are given the lower and upper tolerances of the mcb and it may trip at 51 amps on one occasion but next time it may trip at 99amps (in relation to my example).
 
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