Am I being taken for a ride?

[Pete999]

If you or the Agent have not received an EICR certificate, ask for a copy, as for the question of running a cable from the E7, I'm unsure, it could be he is attempting to link the E7 box to the Consumers unit (CU) in the Kitchen.

It's very difficult to imagine what he means from your description, not your fault, (you are inexperienced in the realms of electrics,) Having never met the Electrician, we can't really draw an accurate picture of his abilities, he will I think try to get the Agent on his side and baffle him with the same ideas as he has tried to hoodwink you. I think your first priority will be to get your hands on the EICR,
http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide, well then your suspicions will be proven to be true, good luck and please keep the forum posted.

Sorry OP here is a typical EICR cert
http://www.electricaltestcertificat.../Electrical-Installation-Condition-Report.pdf

 

[Pete999]

yep. nothing on today, going to have a bit of a tidy up in garage. tomorrow, got a park homes street lighting conversion to LEDs.(weather permitting).

What is the weather like in your area? blowing like crazy in Northampton.

 

[telectrix]

a full EICR is 8/9 pages. should contain a schedule of circuits with all the test readings.

 

[surreygirl]

If you or the Agent have not received an EICR certificate, ask for a copy, as for the question of running a cable from the E7, I'm unsure, it could be he is attempting to link the E7 box to the Consumers unit (CU) in the Kitchen.

It's very difficult to imagine what he means from your description, not your fault, (you are inexperienced in the realms of electrics,) Having never met the Electrician, we can't really draw an accurate picture of his abilities, he will I think try to get the Agent on his side and baffle him with the same ideas as he has tried to hoodwink you. I think your first priority will be to get your hands on the EICR,
http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide, well then your suspicions will be proven to be true, good luck and please keep the forum posted.

It now turns out that he wants to check the main supply to the flats! I am sure this is fishing for more work. Thank you for that. Why does he want to check the main supply to all the flats!

 

[Pete999]

I cant see a cert in the pdf mate... What page is it on?

Hi Spoon just posted a EICR PDF

a full EICR is 8/9 pages. should contain a schedule of circuits with all the test readings.

Just posted one Tel not sure if it's current, but suitable for the OP's purposes I think

 

[DPG]

Definitely need some photos.

 

[westward10]

It now turns out that he wants to check the main supply to the flats! I am sure this is fishing for more work. Thank you for that. Why does he want to check the main supply to all the flats!

Who knows it is probably something he should have checked whilst doing the EICR.

 

[telectrix]

What is the weather like in your area? blowing like crazy in Northampton.

just a bit windy. enough to make me wind the garden parasols down.

 

[westward10]

Sorry OP here is a typical EICR cert
http://www.electricaltestcertificat.../Electrical-Installation-Condition-Report.pdf

It may be a typical format and in most cases it will resemble this but there is no requirement for it to follow a set format.

 

[westward10]

OP I would ask him to clarify his findings and recommendations in terms you understand and write them down. Also ask him to bring his Regulations along (BS7671) and ask to be shown the relevant quoted Regulations which I believe to be misquoted / incorrect, see #20.

 

[surreygirl]

So first question... is this the electrician who carried out the report and who wants to do a load of work? I'm assuming it is. Why is the agent involved?

We're going to need to see some pictures to advise further really because doing this from afar, blind, is very difficult. Also, is there anything else on the report... if it's paper, print it, take photos and redact identifying details, then post them. An EICR which is what you should have has various sections on it, and it's important we see them all if we are to try and help you further.

I can think of no reason why he would want to link the main consumer unit/fuse box to the economy 7 one... I've actually got a quote to do where some numpty has done this and now the storage heater in my clients bedroom is on permanently.

Exactly so. The main switch for the economy 7 is right in front of the meters and so the wiring goes direct to that so why does he want to do that!

I have no way of uploading that is she problem as I am not at home and am using a note pad etc and I cannot upload I have to go the library to print things off. I know you are doing your best and you are all darlings xx

 

[drzsta]

If you have Internet access you can upload pictures.

 

[SparkyChick]

As @westward10 has suggested, Mr. "Electrician" needs to bring along his copy of the regulations. This should take the form of a big yellow book (roughly A4 in size), and it is titled "British Standard. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition." The standard to which it relates is BS 7671:2008 and it incorporates 4 change sets... Ammendment 1:2011, Corrigendum 2013, Ammendment 2:2013 and Ammendment 3:2015. And for each and every C1, C2 and C3 on the 'report' he should be able to point you to a regulation that is contravened and explain it to you in terms you will understand. If he can't point you to a regulation that is relevant, then as far as I'm aware it should not be listed as a C1, C2 or C3 item. It could be listed on a continuation page, but only items that can be listed as observations with the code C1, C2 or FI can result in an unsatisfactory report. It's also worth noting that an EICR should not concern itself with the building regulations compliance... for example, if at some point in the past someone has notched a joist in the wrong way, this is irrelevant.

I think the best way forward for you is to engage the services of another electrician for this meeting... someone who can quiz the guy, explain things to you if the report writer can't and who can spot if he is just full of BS.

To give better advice than has already been given without knowledge of the installation, a copy of the report and at the very least, pictures of the items to which these things relate is dam near impossible, sorry.

 

[Wilko]

My 20p worth is : I think you have lost confidence in this Electrician and as you are the client, you could / should just finish him up. Plenty more fish in the ocean.

 

[telectrix]

My 20p worth is : I think you have lost confidence in this Electrician and as you are the client, you could / should just finish him up. Plenty more fish in the ocean.

that's why i don't drink water... fish f*ck in it.

 

[surreygirl]

As @westward10 has suggested, Mr. "Electrician" needs to bring along his copy of the regulations. This should take the form of a big yellow book (roughly A4 in size), and it is titled "British Standard. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition." The standard to which it relates is BS 7671:2008 and it incorporates 4 change sets... Ammendment 1:2011, Corrigendum 2013, Ammendment 2:2013 and Ammendment 3:2015. And for each and every C1, C2 and C3 on the 'report' he should be able to point you to a regulation that is contravened and explain it to you in terms you will understand. If he can't point you to a regulation that is relevant, then as far as I'm aware it should not be listed as a C1, C2 or C3 item. It could be listed on a continuation page, but only items that can be listed as observations with the code C1, C2 or FI can result in an unsatisfactory report. It's also worth noting that an EICR should not concern itself with the building regulations compliance... for example, if at some point in the past someone has notched a joist in the wrong way, this is irrelevant.

I think the best way forward for you is to engage the services of another electrician for this meeting... someone who can quiz the guy, explain things to you if the report writer can't and who can spot if he is just full of BS.

To give better advice than has already been given without knowledge of the installation, a copy of the report and at the very least, pictures of the items to which these things relate is dam near impossible, sorry.

I wish I could upload but I do not have a smart phone or camera. I do not have the app to upload from a card.

However I am meeting them tomorrow that is the Agent and the electrician. This is what the Agent has said

I understand that you do not want to do any works outside the flat but I believe that any electric cable coming to the flat are the flats responsibility but I’m sure the electrician will clarify this tomorrow.

Also from what I understand any works done internally will not pass the certificate unless an investigation of the outside cables is carried out.

 

[Wilko]

Can I ask - do you own the building?

 

[Pete999]

I wish I could upload but I do not have a smart phone or camera. I do not have the app to upload from a card.

However I am meeting them tomorrow that is the Agent and the electrician. This is what the Agent has said

I understand that you do not want to do any works outside the flat but I believe that any electric cable coming to the flat are the flats responsibility but I’m sure the electrician will clarify this tomorrow.

Also from what I understand any works done internally will not pass the certificate unless an investigation of the outside cables is carried out.

If the cable feeding the lat belongs to the DNO then that will be their responsibility, beware of the "Electrician and the Agent" being in cahoots with each other. You could find out who is responsible for the cable feeding the flats by contacting you electricity supplier. IF the Sparks and the agent are trying to pull a fast one, I find that repulsive. Don't sign anything until you have contacted the DNO ( electricity supplier) and got a second opinion, good luck for tomorrow.

 

[Toneyz]

If the cable feeding the lat belongs to the DNO then that will be their responsibility, beware of the "Electrician and the Agent" being in cahoots with each other. You could find out who is responsible for the cable feeding the flats by contacting you electricity supplier. IF the Sparks and the agent are trying to pull a fast one, I find that repulsive. Don't sign anything until you have contacted the DNO ( electricity supplier) and got a second opinion, good luck for tomorrow.

He maybe talking about a sub-distribution circuit.

 

[telectrix]

do you have your own meter? if it's a supplier's meter, then anything before that is their responsibility.

if it's a landlord's meter, anything before that is up to him.

having said that, it's the responsibility of the electrician to ckeck the incoming supply and report on it's condition. remedial work would be at the cost tothe supplier or landlord as the case may be.

 

[SparkyChick]

Can I ask, who invited the agent along? You or the electrician?

 

[telectrix]

 

[surreygirl]

If the cable feeding the lat belongs to the DNO then that will be their responsibility, beware of the "Electrician and the Agent" being in cahoots with each other. You could find out who is responsible for the cable feeding the flats by contacting you electricity supplier. IF the Sparks and the agent are trying to pull a fast one, I find that repulsive. Don't sign anything until you have contacted the DNO ( electricity supplier) and got a second opinion, good luck for tomorrow.

Thank you for that. Yes I am sure the Agent and the electrician are in cahoots. It all sounds very dodgy to me. He still hasn't itimized the bill and the agent is reminding me of my responsibilities as a Landlord but I know them already.

 

[surreygirl]

Can I ask, who invited the agent along? You or the electrician?

Not me he invited himself

 

[surreygirl]

He maybe talking about a sub-distribution circuit.

The Agent has told me that the cables feeding the flat are my responsibility! I question that!

 

[surreygirl]

As @westward10 has suggested, Mr. "Electrician" needs to bring along his copy of the regulations. This should take the form of a big yellow book (roughly A4 in size), and it is titled "British Standard. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition." The standard to which it relates is BS 7671:2008 and it incorporates 4 change sets... Ammendment 1:2011, Corrigendum 2013, Ammendment 2:2013 and Ammendment 3:2015. And for each and every C1, C2 and C3 on the 'report' he should be able to point you to a regulation that is contravened and explain it to you in terms you will understand. If he can't point you to a regulation that is relevant, then as far as I'm aware it should not be listed as a C1, C2 or C3 item. It could be listed on a continuation page, but only items that can be listed as observations with the code C1, C2 or FI can result in an unsatisfactory report. It's also worth noting that an EICR should not concern itself with the building regulations compliance... for example, if at some point in the past someone has notched a joist in the wrong way, this is irrelevant.

I think the best way forward for you is to engage the services of another electrician for this meeting... someone who can quiz the guy, explain things to you if the report writer can't and who can spot if he is just full of BS.

To give better advice than has already been given without knowledge of the installation, a copy of the report and at the very least, pictures of the items to which these things relate is dam near impossible, sorry.

I agree that is what I am going to do

 

[surreygirl]

As @westward10 has suggested, Mr. "Electrician" needs to bring along his copy of the regulations. This should take the form of a big yellow book (roughly A4 in size), and it is titled "British Standard. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition." The standard to which it relates is BS 7671:2008 and it incorporates 4 change sets... Ammendment 1:2011, Corrigendum 2013, Ammendment 2:2013 and Ammendment 3:2015. And for each and every C1, C2 and C3 on the 'report' he should be able to point you to a regulation that is contravened and explain it to you in terms you will understand. If he can't point you to a regulation that is relevant, then as far as I'm aware it should not be listed as a C1, C2 or C3 item. It could be listed on a continuation page, but only items that can be listed as observations with the code C1, C2 or FI can result in an unsatisfactory report. It's also worth noting that an EICR should not concern itself with the building regulations compliance... for example, if at some point in the past someone has notched a joist in the wrong way, this is irrelevant.

I think the best way forward for you is to engage the services of another electrician for this meeting... someone who can quiz the guy, explain things to you if the report writer can't and who can spot if he is just full of BS.

To give better advice than has already been given without knowledge of the installation, a copy of the report and at the very least, pictures of the items to which these things relate is dam near impossible, sorry.

I agree that is what I am going to do

do you have your own meter? if it's a supplier's meter, then anything before that is their responsibility.

if it's a landlord's meter, anything before that is up to him.

having said that, it's the responsibility of the electrician to ckeck the incoming supply and report on it's condition. remedial work would be at the cost tothe supplier or landlord as the case may be.

Yes I so have my own meter. I am not sure what cables he is talking about to be honest!

 

[SparkyChick]

If you were near me I'd come along for a cup of coffee, armed with the regulations and my crowbar to intimidate quiz the guy.

 

[surreygirl]

do you have your own meter? if it's a supplier's meter, then anything before that is their responsibility.

if it's a landlord's meter, anything before that is up to him.

having said that, it's the responsibility of the electrician to ckeck the incoming supply and report on it's condition. remedial work would be at the cost tothe supplier or landlord as the case may be.

I am the Landlord my flat has a tenant in it and I asked for a safety certificate. I have always employed an electrician myself but I left it to the Agent this time and 2100 pounds for work and also the likely hood of more. The electrician said to me that not to worry it comes out of the rent! that is why he is not worried I think. Also when I told him I found that a lot of money I happen to say I didn't like the lights so he told me he could change them for me!! It is only a studio flat. I could have the whole place rewired for that. I had rewired 10 years ago.

 

[surreygirl]

If you were near me I'd come along for a cup of coffee, armed with the regulations and my crowbar to intimidate quiz the guy.

Thank you it is nice to have people on my side I feel well and truly set up!

 

[surreygirl]

do you have your own meter? if it's a supplier's meter, then anything before that is their responsibility.

if it's a landlord's meter, anything before that is up to him.

having said that, it's the responsibility of the electrician to ckeck the incoming supply and report on it's condition. remedial work would be at the cost tothe supplier or landlord as the case may be.

OK that is good to know thank you

 

[surreygirl]

Can I ask - do you own the building?

I am a leaseholder but we also own the freehold through a company. l let it out it is my pension It is only a studio flat.

 

[surreygirl]

do you have your own meter? if it's a supplier's meter, then anything before that is their responsibility.

if it's a landlord's meter, anything before that is up to him.

having said that, it's the responsibility of the electrician to ckeck the incoming supply and report on it's condition. remedial work would be at the cost tothe supplier or landlord as the case may be.

OK I take that on board

 

[surreygirl]

As @westward10 has suggested, Mr. "Electrician" needs to bring along his copy of the regulations. This should take the form of a big yellow book (roughly A4 in size), and it is titled "British Standard. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations 17th Edition." The standard to which it relates is BS 7671:2008 and it incorporates 4 change sets... Ammendment 1:2011, Corrigendum 2013, Ammendment 2:2013 and Ammendment 3:2015. And for each and every C1, C2 and C3 on the 'report' he should be able to point you to a regulation that is contravened and explain it to you in terms you will understand. If he can't point you to a regulation that is relevant, then as far as I'm aware it should not be listed as a C1, C2 or C3 item. It could be listed on a continuation page, but only items that can be listed as observations with the code C1, C2 or FI can result in an unsatisfactory report. It's also worth noting that an EICR should not concern itself with the building regulations compliance... for example, if at some point in the past someone has notched a joist in the wrong way, this is irrelevant.

I think the best way forward for you is to engage the services of another electrician for this meeting... someone who can quiz the guy, explain things to you if the report writer can't and who can spot if he is just full of BS.

To give better advice than has already been given without knowledge of the installation, a copy of the report and at the very least, pictures of the items to which these things relate is dam near impossible, sorry.

When I get home I can do that and I will upload everything and also take photographs and upload them. I do not have the facilities here

 

[MJPD29]

What is fusing of points? May as well say I'm going to fix that thing, you know that thing

 

[Phil Thompson]

By chance is he running an earth in from the E7 Board to the MET?

Tired after long day, so only briefly speed read the last 4 pages, but that's what I'm thinking is happening if I was to hazard a guess lol

 

[David M]

just a bit windy. enough to make me wind the garden parasols down.

I first read this "wind the garden parasols down" as in "wind" - weather, breeze... because of the context of the subject "windy".
oh... the oddities of the English language and dual purpose words!

 

[surreygirl]

By chance is he running an earth in from the E7 Board to the MET?

Tired after long day, so only briefly speed read the last 4 pages, but that's what I'm thinking is happening if I was to hazard a guess lol

He is running the cable from the main meter and the economy 7 meter to the meter in the kitchen. He is running it through the lounge because he says he cannot get to the cable running from the main metre because it is situated in an area he cannot get to and for that reason he cannot give a certificate if he cannot check what state the cable is in. So in one way he is correct although the cost is massive 2,100 pounds. He is also enclosing the grey cables in trunking and changing the fuses of the underfloor heating as he says they are the wrong ones!

 

[Pete999]

He is running the cable from the main meter and the economy 7 meter to the meter in the kitchen. He is running it through the lounge because he says he cannot get to the cable running from the main metre because it is situated in an area he cannot get to and for that reason he cannot give a certificate if he cannot check what state the cable is in. So in one way he is correct although the cost is massive 2,100 pounds. He is also enclosing the grey cables in trunking and changing the fuses of the underfloor heating as he says they are the wrong ones!

I get the impression that this bloke is tryng it on surreygirl, watch yourself with this one, but without actual eyes on it is very difficult to be 100% sure, have you checked his credentials?

 

[telectrix]

He is running the cable from the main meter and the economy 7 meter to the meter in the kitchen. He is running it through the lounge because he says he cannot get to the cable running from the main metre because it is situated in an area he cannot get to and for that reason he cannot give a certificate if he cannot check what state the cable is in. So in one way he is correct although the cost is massive 2,100 pounds. He is also enclosing the grey cables in trunking and changing the fuses of the underfloor heating as he says they are the wrong ones!

a lot of that looks, sounds , and smells of Bullsh!t. it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck..........

 

[Pete999]

Reading back through some of the posts, this Electrician isn't one you employed, but one the Agent employed, a stitch up methinks Holmes, a stitchup

 

[surreygirl]

Reading back through some of the posts, this Electrician isn't one you employed, but one the Agent employed, a stitch up methinks Holmes, a stitchup

I agree but I do not have the time to find another electrician I tried rated people and three people came back to me but despite my ringing them I did not get a reply from either except a very nice lady electrician but she was unable to give me a certificate of safety. I suppose I do agree that if he cannot see the cable going from the main box which is outside the flat and the cable from my outside meter runs to the economy 7 which is just in front of the main outside meter and then he is going to run another cable to the meter in the kitchen which has lights cooker shower etc on it. He wants to put a notice in the bathroom that the shower switch is in the kitchen and there are a few wires - not many - that he is going to trunk and then he is going to change the fuses on the underfloor heating. What I do not understand is the price! £2,100 however when he says that if he cannot see the cable he cannot tell if it is safe or not I suppose as far as that is concerned that is true!

I really do not know what to think. I wish I had found an electrician before I let the Agent use his, but I want to thank you all for your advice he has agreed to lower the price based on what you guys told me I was able to question him on the things he was doing, the length of time it would take and the price he was charging, so at least the price is coming down however I do not know by how much based on the invoice he gave me it was 410 pounds to trunk the wiring etc and 1,600 to run a cable from the lounge into the kitchen! He will have to go through the wall obviously but the economy 7 box is in the lounge so he is running a wire from there along the ceiling into the kitchen.

 

[Pete999]

I agree but I do not have the time to find another electrician I tried rated people and three people came back to me but despite my ringing them I did not get a reply from either except a very nice lady electrician but she was unable to give me a certificate of safety. I suppose I do agree that if he cannot see the cable going from the main box which is outside the flat and the cable from my outside meter runs to the economy 7 which is just in front of the main outside meter and then he is going to run another cable to the meter in the kitchen which has lights cooker shower etc on it. He wants to put a notice in the bathroom that the shower switch is in the kitchen and there are a few wires - not many - that he is going to trunk and then he is going to change the fuses on the underfloor heating. What I do not understand is the price! £2,100 however when he says that if he cannot see the cable he cannot tell if it is safe or not I suppose as far as that is concerned that is true!

I really do not know what to think. I wish I had found an electrician before I let the Agent use his, but I want to thank you all for your advice he has agreed to lower the price based on what you guys told me I was able to question him on the things he was doing, the length of time it would take and the price he was charging, so at least the price is coming down however I do not know by how much based on the invoice he gave me it was 410 pounds to trunk the wiring etc and 1,600 to run a cable from the lounge into the kitchen! He will have to go through the wall obviously but the economy 7 box is in the lounge so he is running a wire from there along the ceiling into the kitchen.

I would love to say I would be willing, providing my travel costs were met to come visit, but it would be a waste as I am not registered with a CPScheme.

Surely there are Electrical contractors in your area, apart from rated people.

If he has agreed to lower the price because of what people on this forum has said, that must tell you something

That list I gave you in an earlier post must have yielded some hits for you to try.

Tell the Agent, "Electrician" and Tenant, that you will find an Electrician, who could carry out and EICR, and tell Burke and Hare to do one, you will get the certificate requested by your tenant, but it may take a while until you find someone reputable, when you do don't tell him what has been said, let him form his own opinion, make sure you get someone who belongs to a CPScheme NICEIC, NAPIT, ELECSA or one of the others there are a few more about.

 

[telectrix]

pete. i have to disagree with you on that post. (only the last bit).you don't need to be in a scam (scheme) such as NICEIC etc. to carry out EICRs. or to do non-notifiable/ remedial work.

@OP. surely you have friends or relatives that have dealt with electricians and can recommend them.

 

[SparkyChick]

I agree with@Pete999 , tell this 'electrician' to do one, don't have him do any work and I'd be looking to get a different managing agent.

What I will say is... you only have to be competent @Pete999 , you don't need to be a member of a scheme to carry out an EICR.

As for his BS about not being able to tell whether the cables are safe... without seeing it, I feel that it is as I've stated, complete BS. If there are no signs of thermal damage where the cables are visible or at their terminations, and you can test them electrically for safety, there is no reason to not issue a certificate... ffs, if that was the case, no one would be issuing certificates and all our wiring would be surface mounted to allow inspection. He's trying to pull a fast one, plain and simple IMHO.

 

[surreygirl]

"That list I gave you in an earlier post must have yielded some hits for you to try"

Yes it did. Thank you very much. It is too late now as I must go back to Spain on Wednesday and I am afraid of safety as he says the underfloor heating has the wrong fuses in!

I think for now the grey trunking is safe, but I am afraid when the tenant uses the underfloor heating.

Yes what you said was a great help. I wrote it all down and questioned him on it and it just turns out that all he is doing is trunking a few wires in grey changing a switch, putting up a note to say the switch for the shower is in the kitchen and that is it! Then the other work he is doing is running the wire from the outside meter - the one you read - to the economy 7 which is in the lounge and the kitchen which is next door to the lounge! The main meter is directly behind the economy 7 meter. The wiring to that would be about four feet and then about 13 feet to the meter in the kitchen.

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[Pete999]

pete. i have to disagree with you on that post. you don't need to be in a scam (scheme) such as NICEIC etc. to carry out EICRs. or to do non-notifiable/ remedial work.

@OP. surely you have friends or relatives that have dealt with electricians and can recommend them.

Yes Tel, you are right of course, I realised that after I posted, still don't have all the equipment now, sorry OP for misleading you.

 

[Pete999]

This time the cowboy didn't bite the dust then?

 

[surreygirl]

pete. i have to disagree with you on that post. (only the last bit).you don't need to be in a scam (scheme) such as NICEIC etc. to carry out EICRs. or to do non-notifiable/ remedial work.

@OP. surely you have friends or relatives that have dealt with electricians and can recommend them.

I wish I did but I live in Spain not the UK and have only come over for a few weeks to sort things out for the new tenant moving in. If I had known this was going to happen I would have sorted out an electrician over the internet before I arrivaed but I could not envisage a £2100k bill in a million years.

 

[surreygirl]

I agree with@Pete999 , tell this 'electrician' to do one, don't have him do any work and I'd be looking to get a different managing agent.

What I will say is... you only have to be competent @Pete999 , you don't need to be a member of a scheme to carry out an EICR.

As for his BS about not being able to tell whether the cables are safe... without seeing it, I feel that it is as I've stated, complete BS. If there are no signs of thermal damage where the cables are visible or at their terminations, and you can test them electrically for safety, there is no reason to not issue a certificate... ffs, if that was the case, no one would be issuing certificates and all our wiring would be surface mounted to allow As for his BS about not being able to tell whether the cables are safe... without seeing it, I feel that it is as I've stated, complete BS. If there are no signs of thermal damage where the cables are visible or at their terminations, and you can test them electrically for safety, there is no reason to not issue a certificate... ffs, if that was the case, no one would be issuing certificates and all our wiring would be surface mounted to allow inspection. He's trying to pull a fast one, plain and simple IMHO

You have a point there I will write that in an email right now whilst it is on my mind. You are quite correct in what you say.

Thank you for that.