New requirement for part p schemes

[p11jor]

I think there should be say a 12 month onsite assessments set out from scheme providers, they visit you each month for a day tick off every single scenario then give you a national recognised diploma or that of like..... Minium of 17th edition and some sort of elec qual city & guilds

I did my 2392 got 100% yet I was on here few days ago asking about a small question on testing.... Quals arnt always the answer

Problem is who is going to pay for this

 

[madmac]

p11jor: this sounds awfully like a type of apprenticeship where you are under constant assessment. Electricalserv: just for the record, I am an SJIB Approved Electrician with affiliations of Electrical Fitter,Maintenance Electrician, Installation Electrician, Distribution Networks Electrician and I have 2391-10 17th inspection & testing c&g, 2382 17th wiring regs. c&g, SELECT 17th wiring regs., SVQ level3, ECS assessment,safety passport,WI1 Scottish Power Authorisation 11kv to 400kv,EN1 Scottish Power Authorisation, independent entry to substations with exposed live busbars,SR3&4 Scottish Power Authorisation for permit for work & limited works certificates, IPAF,PASMA,full apprentice papers,AM2 trade certificate,electrical craftsman certificate, HND in electrical engineering and last but not least I am a fully paid up member of the union and have been since I was a first year apprentice.
But according to you it's impossible to achieve all this by working for some company or if you're agency? Well there are many more guys like me out there trying to fight for a better work place for all of us and if we can't even get the balance between training and employment then it's all over and kiss your industry goodnight!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Goodnight!

 

[Electricalserv]

p11jor:
But according to you it's impossible to achieve all this by working for some company or if you're agency? Well there are many more guys like me out there trying to fight for a better work place for all of us and if we can't even get the balance between training and employment then it's all over and kiss your industry goodnight!

when did I say it's not possible to achieve qualifications whilst working for someone else & agencies? I said you are very union focused. What you are unhappy with I don't know but for me I go to work to earn money and that's that. I have no hidden agender. My point to you was instead of worrying about everyone else focus on yourself and you'll most likely find yourself on better wages or whatever you are looking for. I'd like you to point out where I have said you can't gain qualifications working for someone else???? As I said, you work for someone else and you will always be £ short of your full worth. No1 will employ you unless you can make money. Most likely all them quals where paid for by your government or employers so in my opinion you've done ok. ALOT of people gave to get quals out if their own wallet. Apprentices get the lot on the plate

 

[madmac]

Electricalserv: Unlike you I am very socially concious, and I always try my best to better the conditions of fellow electricians and just for the record I am earning a very high rate of pay compared to the directly employed sparks I'm working with but I am more than prepared to put my head above the parapet to shout and fight for better pay for these boys even if it means that I lose my job because then I will be able to gain full time direct employment on better wages and not have suffer the indignity of being on a minutes notice with an agency! And yes most of the quals. were paid for by either a company or an agency but about a third were paid out of my own pocket, now, in a civillised and respectful environment, we should have to pay for none of these quals. and the companies should as they benefit from them ultimately as they couldn't do any portion of the electrical works that they tendered for unless they could guarantee a skilled and competent workforce!!!
"Apprentices get the lot on a plate"??? And your point is?