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I was rather suggesting that the person in question was already in a well paid and very well pensioned job and that the nature of his "dabbling" now and again is unlikely to result in him being very professional, as demonstrated, and that he is probably doing a full time sparky, who is maybe struggling to make a go of things, out of work. I have no intention of reporting him or anything of the sort, I just think, as my thread title suggested, that it is "not right", probably more morally than anything else. Nobody seems to have taken up the point that if they had been undercut by a guy like this, whether he is a copper, banker or anyone else on shift work, they should probably stick to that and work in a bar if they want a bit of extra dollar. Personally I think that everything that goes with being properly self-employed and maintaining a good standard of professionalism, along with all the things that go with it, is well enough to keep most people fully occupied. I would suggest that most people who are operating in this "on the side"manner are not only short cutting the job but probably short cutting many of their other obligations as well, including their tax, and they are certainly very unlikely to be part of a registered scheme. Regarding the 3rd part certification aspect I personally would not touch it with a barge-pole.
I amIs you a bit tiddly, cos your heading this thread in a south westerly direction, towards Old Bill lighthouse. Suns over the yardarm now though
It's Ello Ello, Pete, you've got the french version. must be all the Cabernet.Allo Allo whats going on ere then, your nicked sunshine
I don't understand your issue, I agree with @happyhippydad, if it is declared secondary employment then I don't have an issue (apart from his crap work!) Personally I have more of an issue with crap full time sparkys who should know better! Isn't all work just for beer money?So you think it is OK for a guy in a perfectly well paid job with a very good pension to be moonlighting, probably undercutting other sparks who are trying to make a living as their sole occupation? How would you feel if you lost a job to some part time fly-by-night who is just doing it for beer money, and not very well at that?? Sorry matey I don't think it's perfectly acceptable at all.
I don't have an axe to grind at all, I think you have defeated your own argument in your statement actually. The fact that a copper is already doing a very demanding and time consuming job (the one in question is plain clothes), to me suggests he will not have the time to do another fairly demanding one, at least properly. IMO this is demonstrated in his obvious lack of awareness on this job. Who knows what other errors he is making in either of his "occupations", plus the fact that he is taking work from other sparks, probably so he can have the latest 4x4 and three holidays a year, while guys trying to make a go of it are losing out. IMO he is just a greedy *** Maybe it is just a sign of the times I guess.I don't see the issue with two jobs provided the person in question still does both those jobs correctly.
There is no jealousy here whatsoever I can assure you. I have plenty of work, you are missing the point. The very fact that this guy may have decided to "try something else" as you put it is exactly the problem, he is obviously under the impression that it is something that you can just do by getting a few tools together and maybe doing a 17th edition course, which he probably hasn't. Regarding the builder, I have had several such requests from different builders over the years (not the same guy), all of whom are trying to make extra money by short cutting the system and using people to undertake their electrical work who should not be, and then trying to get a proper spark to certify it. I am also slightly worried by your comment on checking it over "for a good bit of wedge", how would you inspect the first fix, for example?? I have decided that the next time it happens I am going to mention the builder and job in question to the local BCO.Going to be a bit provocative here, but I think there is quite a high level of jealousy here in respect of a guy that has worked 30 years in public service and is lucky enough to be getting a good pension. He's probably decided that he's sick and tired of policing and therefore want to try something else. I've seen plenty of comments on here from old school sparks who don't understand why anyone would want to join the profession due to hard physical graft, increased competition and bureaucracy. Works both ways.
I'm intrigued with the arrangement (if any that you had with the builder). You say you' ve been on site six times. What happened on the previous occasions? Have you actually spoken to the guy? I'd reiterate the 3rd party process procedure and then ask him if he wanted me to check it over (for a good bit of wedge). If he wasn't interested just walk away.
I have decided that the next time it happens I am going to mention the builder and job in question to the local BCO.
Its not the same job!!!!! I meant previous visits with different builders. There are quite a few of them trying to cut corners to save dosh.I think we're probably at crossed purposes here. If you had been asked to act as a third party certify, presumably you would have looked at the design and first fix and advised accordingly . As you say, the builder is trying to pull a fast one. The Regs are there for a reason and in my view the more good professional qualified sparks adhere the better the trade will be for it in the long run. My comment re the wedge was purely that you would be charging appropriately for any time that you have to spend inspecting an testing or advising etc. What was going on re the six previous visits?
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