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I’m no stranger to taking exams. I’ve got a couple of “A” levels which I took in 1983 (when they were difficult), so I can tell you with some credence that the Part P exam is quite tricky.
I took the CSCS (Construction Skills Certification Scheme – Health and Safety) exam last year and that was a “walk in the park” compared to the Part P. You could grab a man off the street and give him the CSCS exam and he would pass it. It’s just about common sense. :cool:
However, with the Part P, you’ll need to have a detailed knowledge not only about the Building Regulations Approved Document P but also the relevance of Approved Documents A, B, C, E, F, L, M and Regulation 7 in relation to domestic electrical installation.
I was hoping to post the questions on this forum to give you some idea but we had to give the exam papers back to the invigilator. Even our lecturer was not allowed to see the exam paper before or after. We were hoping to have a post mortem after the exam but those tricksters at EAL constructed the questions in such a convoluted way that none of us could remember them. :mad:
You have to read the questions VERY carefully. For example;
“Which of the following structures are not exempt from the Building Regulations?”
I had to read this 3 times before I twigged that they wanted to know which structure should CONFORM to the Building Regs.
You should also know where the special locations are located and what a special installation actually is.
Also watch out for the use of the words “Dwelling” and “Structure”. The use of one of those words in a question implies whether you need to be concerned with regards to Part P. Remember, Part P is all about dwellings and not business premises or cow sheds.
Another tip when answering questions about what is or isn’t notifiable is to watch out for the words “existing”, “new” and “replace”. For example, it is not notifiable to install an electric gate to an EXISTING circuit but installing the gate using a NEW circuit is notifiable.
 
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i think part of the confusion lies with terminology. yes, you have taken an exam, the passing of which shows you have a knowledge of part p. , which is a document detailing building regs. what annoys qualified sparks is someone saying they are part p qualified and as such, they are qualified to install notifiable work, whereas, they may have little or no electrical knowledge. building inspectors can quote part p, line and paragraph, but might not be capable of fitting a plug top.
 
exactly. a knowledge of partp is essential, but most of us are up in arms at the way the thing has been implemented. a fully qualified spark with years of experience is not allowed to do notifiable work unless he shells out £500+/annum to to a money grabbing scam/scheme for building control to accept that he/she is competent. having the relevant qualifications and experience should enough. no other trade has these burdens placed upon them. even gas safe membership is a fraction of the above cost.
 
I knew the very mention of the word "Part" and "P" would get the blood rising.
But I agree with andy and tele. There is no substitute for years of experiance. Who wouldn't prefer a sparky with 20yrs experience rather than someone Part P registered with a scam/scheme.
 
by your screen name, i,m guessing that you may be a welshman exiled to geordie land, or vice versa? anyway, by being assessed by a scheme provider does prove your competence to a certain degree. that does not ensure that you will carry out all work undertaken to the necessary standards. i've seen some shocking ( pardon the pun) jobs done by scheme members, not many, but one or twoi've seen, would have been better getting a plumber to do the work.
 
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Were there any other trades at this shin dig............or all sparks and i wonder if a plumber will now have to do a part P exam. or even better a builder?
 
Were there any other trades at this shin dig............or all sparks and i wonder if a plumber will now have to do a part P exam. or even better a builder?
come off it malcolm, what use would a knowledge of part be to builders and plumbers. they will still dig up/cut/melt/saw/ squash/ cables. it's their raison d'etre.
 
in an ideal world, do away with builders and plumbers. get electricians to run the construction sites, sub out bricking and chipping. we can install plastic push fit plumbing, and so do away with main bonding, thus saving copper.
 
hope they told the kitchen fitters that partp allows for cables to be installed in walls, usually just where they want to fix their wall cupboards
 
in an ideal world, do away with builders and plumbers. get electricians to run the construction sites, sub out bricking and chipping. we can install plastic push fit plumbing, and so do away with main bonding, thus saving copper.

Are you still employing the plasterers to fill up your socket holes after your first fix ? LOL
 
Are you still employing the plasterers to fill up your socket holes after your first fix ? LOL
usually fill myself. got a better than even chance of them still being visible come 2nd fix.
 
I'm taking another Electricians exam next week. "Electricians guide to sledging other trades" LOL
and that is not an open book exam, it's 99% common sense
 
I’m no stranger to taking exams. I’ve got a couple of “A” levels which I took in 1983 (when they were difficult), so I can tell you with some credence that the Part P exam is quite tricky.
I took the CSCS (Construction Skills Certification Scheme – Health and Safety) exam last year and that was a “walk in the park” compared to the Part P. You could grab a man off the street and give him the CSCS exam and he would pass it. It’s just about common sense. :cool:
However, with the Part P, you’ll need to have a detailed knowledge not only about the Building Regulations Approved Document P but also the relevance of Approved Documents A, B, C, E, F, L, M and Regulation 7 in relation to domestic electrical installation.
I was hoping to post the questions on this forum to give you some idea but we had to give the exam papers back to the invigilator. Even our lecturer was not allowed to see the exam paper before or after. We were hoping to have a post mortem after the exam but those tricksters at EAL constructed the questions in such a convoluted way that none of us could remember them. :mad:
You have to read the questions VERY carefully. For example;
“Which of the following structures are not exempt from the Building Regulations?”
I had to read this 3 times before I twigged that they wanted to know which structure should CONFORM to the Building Regs.
You should also know where the special locations are located and what a special installation actually is.
Also watch out for the use of the words “Dwelling” and “Structure”. The use of one of those words in a question implies whether you need to be concerned with regards to Part P. Remember, Part P is all about dwellings and not business premises or cow sheds.
Another tip when answering questions about what is or isn’t notifiable is to watch out for the words “existing”, “new” and “replace”. For example, it is not notifiable to install an electric gate to an EXISTING circuit but installing the gate using a NEW circuit is notifiable.

Sounds like a good Qualification to have. Thanks for the heads up :cool:
 
Sounds like a good Qualification to have. Thanks for the heads up :cool:

Take a look at the City & Guilds 2393-10
Level 3 Certificate in the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings

The primary aim of this course is to enable practising electricians, operating in the domestic environment, to gain an understanding of how electrical installations in dwellings must comply with all relevant Building Regulations.
 
Take a look at the City & Guilds 2393-10
Level 3 Certificate in the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings

The primary aim of this course is to enable practising electricians, operating in the domestic environment, to gain an understanding of how electrical installations in dwellings must comply with all relevant Building Regulations.

Good Stuff, but Ive adhered to the construction side of the building regulations more than once and its a lot more involved. And I did not need to sit an exam, nor do builders,. So when Electricians need to sit the course you mention it is worrying to say the least
 
The 2393-10 is one of the easier courses out there.
It's a few hours of learning the relevant building regs and reading the EGBR then a 20 question multiple choice online exam, which to be frank a monkey should pass, or a monkey with a bit of luck on multiple choice questions anyway.
 
LOL i remember sitting my 2391 a few years ago and a load of sparkys sitting outside in their vans tryin to cram as much info in as they could before the exam, never have i felt an atmosphere like it in the exam room........you could actually hear people defacating in their underwear. Didnt help that the examiner said before hand that there is an 80% FAIL rate....good times. I hope to never re live that.
 
LOL i remember sitting my 2391 a few years ago and a load of sparkys sitting outside in their vans tryin to cram as much info in as they could before the exam, never have i felt an atmosphere like it in the exam room........you could actually hear people defacating in their underwear. Didnt help that the examiner said before hand that there is an 80% FAIL rate....good times. I hope to never re live that.

Even funnier when everyone comes out talking about kind of questions they got and what kind of answers they gave, you knew who the fake sparks were then lol
 

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