The future of Part P in question?

[Jimmy Boy]

Disgraceful charges, but without a final sign off on the property where's the options ?
A full PIR on sale ?

ATB S

 

[pushrod]

It was always my understanding that electrical work carried out to bs7671 included testing and inspection, whats all this 2391 all the time these days??????? 2391 used to be a more in depth knowledge of testing and inspecting but these days people seem to think you shouldnt even know what a a test probe is without having prior done some sort of college course- more expense(sighs)

but at least with a course you prove your competence once, in the exam - rather than being taxed £400+ every year by your scheme provider. You pass your driving test once ... not every year!

 

[pushrod]

Disgraceful charges, but without a final sign off on the property where's the options ?
A full PIR on sale ?

ATB S

House Insurance demanding a 10 yearly PIR from qualified person to continue insuring. Bearing that in mind the householder would dam well make sure that work was done by qualified/experienced people not just some chap from the pub. Your car insurance is invalid without an MOT, most people MOT their vehicles. It is unlikely that the sort of people who choose to live outside the law would own there own houses - the onus would then be on the landlord.
I doubt that too many people who own there own houses would risk their biggest asset by not insuring it.

 

[accordfire]

House Insurance demanding a 10 yearly PIR from qualified person to continue insuring. Bearing that in mind the householder would dam well make sure that work was done by qualified/experienced people not just some chap from the pub. Your car insurance is invalid without an MOT, most people MOT their vehicles. It is unlikely that the sort of people who choose to live outside the law would own there own houses - the onus would then be on the landlord.
I doubt that too many people who own there own houses would risk there biggest asset by not insuring it.

No, they probably wouldn't, but your idealism is showing here..........

Realistically, if some geezer in the pub says he can supply the relevant paperwork for you to pass to your insurer for £50 or it's going to cost you £350 to get a full PIR, what are you going to do if you're fairly sure the £50 will get you by?

That was always the problem with MOT's too, until they started barcoding/databasing them - yet, there are still ways around that.

Anyone with half decent photoshop skills, and a clue about what figures are meant to be in the boxes will make a mint.

All these ideas make a fundamental mistake - in assuming that the homeowner actually give a damn WHO qualifies us, or WHAT bits of paper we pass on after the job. Most of them just want the shiny new light, or extra socket, and someone to bitch when it doesn't work right.

THAT, I am afraid, is a major part of what we need to overcome, as much as the scheme providers and legislators.

 

[Jimmy Boy]

Dude a great idea one I share but however we are ***** on that score
An MOT or a PIR is a day of issue, it means SFA the next day, you kerb the car MOT invalid..You break an accessory PIR invalid you get my drift, I suggest all properties are brought up to 17th on sale nice earner for sparks...safe for the the new occupants

 

[telectrix]

House Insurance demanding a 10 yearly PIR from qualified person to continue insuring. Bearing that in mind the householder would dam well make sure that work was done by qualified/experienced people not just some chap from the pub. Your car insurance is invalid without an MOT, most people MOT their vehicles. It is unlikely that the sort of people who choose to live outside the law would own there own houses - the onus would then be on the landlord.
I doubt that too many people who own there own houses would risk their biggest asset by not insuring it.

good point, pushrod. the problem again is policing. without all sparks undertaking PIRs being registered like MOT garages.

 

[pushrod]

No, they probably wouldn't, but your idealism is showing here..........

Realistically, if some geezer in the pub says he can supply the relevant paperwork for you to pass to your insurer for £50 or it's going to cost you £350 to get a full PIR, what are you going to do if you're fairly sure the £50 will get you by?

That was always the problem with MOT's too, until they started barcoding/databasing them - yet, there are still ways around that.

Anyone with half decent photoshop skills, and a clue about what figures are meant to be in the boxes will make a mint.

All these ideas make a fundamental mistake - in assuming that the homeowner actually give a damn WHO qualifies us, or WHAT bits of paper we pass on after the job. Most of them just want the shiny new light, or extra socket, and someone to bitch when it doesn't work right.

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There will always be some people who try and get round the law, but i would think it would be a pretty stupid person who knowingly invalidated their house insurance (risking their biggest asset), especially when you know how any insurance company will use any excuse not to pay up. As you say centrally held data bases have largely removed the guy who would sell you an mot cert.
The other thing that is needed is education through advertising. 35 years ago lots of people would drive after drinking - now days the percentages are much smaller, why? because of public awareness campaigns. The same has happened with gas safety - even the wife asked to see the repair man's corgi card a few years back!

 

[telectrix]

a step in the right direction would be restricting sales of electrical equipment. we already have ID age requirements for cigs. and alcohol. why not have all qualified, competent sparks carry ID card proving that they are qualified/competent, similar to a JIB card. No card, No Sale.

 

[accordfire]

There will always be some people who try and get round the law, but i would think it would be a pretty stupid person who knowingly invalidated their house insurance (risking their biggest asset), especially when you know how any insurance company will use any excuse not to pay up. As you say centrally held data bases have largely removed the guy who would sell you an mot cert.
The other thing that is needed is education through advertising. 35 years ago lots of people would drive after drinking - now days the percentages are much smaller, why? because of public awareness campaigns. The same has happened with gas safety - even the wife asked to see the repair man's corgi card a few years back!

Yeah, you're right fella - I was making the same point not a day ago too. If it isn't done right though, people will buy dodgy certs, just the way they used to with car MOTs though. They already begrudge paying the insurance rates, and further costs especially in this climate, will cause more and more to fall outside the scope of the insurance, at least from time to time.

Education of the public is good, as id better policing of the industry, as is a scheme which works for everyone - but again, who will pay for it? Bet your bottom dollar it'll come down to us, on top of everything else we have to pay just to breathe.

 

[accordfire]

a step in the right direction would be restricting sales of electrical equipment. we already have ID age requirements for cigs. and alcohol. why not have all qualified, competent sparks carry ID card proving that they are qualified/competent, similar to a JIB card. No card, No Sale.

Good idea, except you'll have every last wholesaler up in arms, and dead set against you.

They couldn't care who they sell to, so long as they make a profit - their business is simply to sell, not to police who they sell to.

Sad, but true. Do that, and they'll (rightly) claim their isn't enough business to go around.

And by the time you add in all the sheds too - that's a big fight, with a lot of cash behind it.